SB11 Campus Carry House Floor Debate 5/26/15

[CrimsonSoul]

So is cc for all intents killed this session or still alive?

[chamberc]

So is cc for all intents killed this session or still alive?

It's killed.

[CJD]

20 more bills on third reading, including this one Then 8 postponed bills. Then the Ethics bill. Then Major State. #txlege
now 19

There has certainly been a noticeable change in pace. All of a sudden

Mind keeping this countdown going?

[Papa_Tiger]

I applaud the legislators for using the rules as written to achieve their desired result. I only wish some of our national representatives would stand on principle and use the rules to their fullest extent to block things that they dislike.

As much as I may dislike the likely outcome of their actions, I appreciate that they are willing to work within the rules as written.

This was not an underhanded move; it's done all the time. It is done in part because of the Star Chamber-like procedure of having a Calendars Committee that works in absolute secrecy. The House should have the same procedure used by the Senate so no Member can secretly kill/tag a bill in Calendars.

Chas.

I was referring to the action on the floor today rather than anything leading up to this in the Calendars Committee. The fact that SB 11 made it out of the Calendars Committee and onto the floor calendar when it did meant that there was a limited time for the bill to live. I appreciate that those opposed to it worked within the rules of the House to kill a bill they deemed unacceptable while potentially killing other bills that they may have supported.

Suspension of the rules is working within the rules. You make it sound like the attempt was both unusual and unethical; it was neither. It a way to prioritize bills and to counter the Star Chamber impact of the Calendars Committee. As already noted, this is precisely the procedure that is used in the Senate to make the process open and transparent, rather than having a Calendars Committee.

Chas.

I think I'm being misunderstood here.

I applaud Rep. Phillips for trying to suspend the rules (Working within the rules) to get to SB 11 faster to achieve my desired outcome - passage of SB 11. There are rules for how to suspend the rules for a reason. If you can get enough people to go along with it, give it a try!

Up to the point that the motion to suspend the rules failed, I appreciate the extended use of time to stall as much as possible to run out the clock (Working within the rules - fully using allotted time, discussion, etc.)

After the motion failed, I appreciate the art of using legitimate stalling tactics to run out the clock as much as possible (working within the written rules). This is exactly the same as in a football game - If you want to run out the clock and give the opposing team as little time to mount a challenge, you keep the ball in bounds and take as long as you can on your snaps, including taking penalties if you think it is to your advantage. I appreciate that people know the rules and know how to use them to achieve their desired result without breaking them. It doesn't mean that I have to like the outcome, but I appreciate that the rules are followed to the letter.

I just have to be fair and praise the rules when they work to my advantage as well as when they work to my disadvantage. Anything else is intellectually dishonest.

[Ruark]

So, which Calendar do they start on after they finish these SBs? At http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SB11 is the third bill listed out of 4.

Daily calendar

The daily calendar is at http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; . SB11 is the 4th item on it. So does that mean they might get to it today? Chas said it was dead, so I'm just trying to see some daylight here.

[nobius]

So, which Calendar do they start on after they finish these SBs? At http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SB11 is the third bill listed out of 4.

Daily calendar

Seems like it's going by the Supplemental Calendar. SB 1580 that just passed wasn't on the Daily Calendar.

[CJD]

So, which Calendar do they start on after they finish these SBs? At http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SB11 is the third bill listed out of 4.

Daily calendar

The daily calendar is at http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; . SB11 is the 4th item on it. So does that mean they might get to it today? Chas said it was dead, so I'm just trying to see some daylight here.

Who knows? Depends how much they stall/filibuster. They have every opportunity to do that, however.

[CJD]

So, which Calendar do they start on after they finish these SBs? At http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SB11 is the third bill listed out of 4.

Daily calendar

Seems like it's going by the Supplemental Calendar. SB 1580 that just passed wasn't on the Daily Calendar.

Correct. He asked which calendar do they start AFTER this one.

[NotRPB]

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[dru]

So, which Calendar do they start on after they finish these SBs? At http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SB11 is the third bill listed out of 4.

Daily calendar

The daily calendar is at http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; . SB11 is the 4th item on it. So does that mean they might get to it today? Chas said it was dead, so I'm just trying to see some daylight here.

Dude, if Chas says its dead then its dead. Seriously, he has the DL on whats going on at the capitol. Its time to recognize when your republican "allies" just

[nobius]

Currently on SB 1474. 25 by my count to go until SB 11 comes up.

[NotRPB]

If I understand correctly ... we are on http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

SB 1462 now,

after these 15 or so are gone, then the postponed business below that ( I have not counted them), then Major State http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/Calendar ... spx?Chbr=H" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

1517 now

1049 now

seriously moving along fast. 1 every minute maybe

[nobius]

SB 1049 is on now. 18 bills to go.

[Charles L. Cotton]

I applaud the legislators for using the rules as written to achieve their desired result. I only wish some of our national representatives would stand on principle and use the rules to their fullest extent to block things that they dislike.

As much as I may dislike the likely outcome of their actions, I appreciate that they are willing to work within the rules as written.

This was not an underhanded move; it's done all the time. It is done in part because of the Star Chamber-like procedure of having a Calendars Committee that works in absolute secrecy. The House should have the same procedure used by the Senate so no Member can secretly kill/tag a bill in Calendars.

Chas.

I was referring to the action on the floor today rather than anything leading up to this in the Calendars Committee. The fact that SB 11 made it out of the Calendars Committee and onto the floor calendar when it did meant that there was a limited time for the bill to live. I appreciate that those opposed to it worked within the rules of the House to kill a bill they deemed unacceptable while potentially killing other bills that they may have supported.

Suspension of the rules is working within the rules. You make it sound like the attempt was both unusual and unethical; it was neither. It a way to prioritize bills and to counter the Star Chamber impact of the Calendars Committee. As already noted, this is precisely the procedure that is used in the Senate to make the process open and transparent, rather than having a Calendars Committee.

Chas.

I think I'm being misunderstood here.

I applaud Rep. Phillips for trying to suspend the rules (Working within the rules) to get to SB 11 faster to achieve my desired outcome - passage of SB 11. There are rules for how to suspend the rules for a reason. If you can get enough people to go along with it, give it a try!

Up to the point that the motion to suspend the rules failed, I appreciate the extended use of time to stall as much as possible to run out the clock (Working within the rules - fully using allotted time, discussion, etc.)

After the motion failed, I appreciate the art of using legitimate stalling tactics to run out the clock as much as possible (working within the written rules). This is exactly the same as in a football game - If you want to run out the clock and give the opposing team as little time to mount a challenge, you keep the ball in bounds and take as long as you can on your snaps, including taking penalties if you think it is to your advantage. I appreciate that people know the rules and know how to use them to achieve their desired result without breaking them. It doesn't mean that I have to like the outcome, but I appreciate that the rules are followed to the letter.

I just have to be fair and praise the rules when they work to my advantage as well as when they work to my disadvantage. Anything else is intellectually dishonest.

Thanks, I did misunderstand your point.

Chas.

[Jasonw560]

So, which Calendar do they start on after they finish these SBs? At http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; SB11 is the third bill listed out of 4.

Daily calendar

The daily calendar is at http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 150526.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; . SB11 is the 4th item on it. So does that mean they might get to it today? Chas said it was dead, so I'm just trying to see some daylight here.

Dude, if Chas says its dead then its dead. Seriously, he has the DL on whats going on at the capitol. Its time to recognize when your republican "allies" just

You mean the RINO with its horn