OCT Pro-Gun or Pro-Gun Control?

[TXBO]

Disclaimer: I am a former active member of OCTC. I was at the time of the 2014 state convention. I am a current regional co-coordinator for OCT. I hold a Texas CHL. I am a member of the TSRA If you missed that above. I am even a member of the Texas State Militia. I am a Constitutional Conservative who is involved in multiple causes beyond guns. I also have four legislators personal cell numbers in my phone and another three chiefs of staff. I have been known from time to time go for a walk with a rifle or shotgun.

For all your credentials, one thing you do not possess is my support.

Perhaps you should try working with other organizations to achieve our common goals. The antics your organization pulls does not help further the cause of 2A; they just create more enemies. There's enough divisiveness in our country as it is.

Why don't you guys try cooperating instead?

Cooperate with whom?

People that understand how to get things done and have a track record of doing so.

Are you suggesting that all 2nd Amendment grassroots efforts need to cooperate with NRA in this country?

[Ruark]

. . . We need licensed open carry not to lead our leaders to enlightenment, but to lead our citizens. As we re-infuse defensive handguns back into Texas life, as licensed concealed carry has done for decades, we strengthen ourselves in many ways. A gun in the hand of a law abiding citizen has positive psychological implications. A gun in my law-abiding hand is a matter of pride, of self-worth, and a symbol that says I have a life worth protecting, and loved ones and fellow citizens who depend on me to ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth.

If we instill every citizen with the individual drive to stand up and be counted on the basis of self-worth and individual value to society, we just might end the defensive need for handguns. We will always need them as an affirmation of things we dare not lose. . . .

I fully agree. In fact, when the legislature has adjourned sine die, I plan to launch an initiative to address precisely this issue. I won't go into details now, but I hope to see a lot of folks get involved.

Chas.

(cracks knuckles)

[Ruark]

Disclaimer: I am a former active member of OCTC. I was at the time of the 2014 state convention. I am a current regional co-coordinator for OCT. I hold a Texas CHL. I am a member of the TSRA If you missed that above. I am even a member of the Texas State Militia. I am a Constitutional Conservative who is involved in multiple causes beyond guns. I also have four legislators personal cell numbers in my phone and another three chiefs of staff. I have been known from time to time go for a walk with a rifle or shotgun.

For all your credentials, one thing you do not possess is my support.

Perhaps you should try working with other organizations to achieve our common goals. The antics your organization pulls does not help further the cause of 2A; they just create more enemies. There's enough divisiveness in our country as it is.

Why don't you guys try cooperating instead?

Cooperate with whom?

People that understand how to get things done and have a track record of doing so.

Are you suggesting that all 2nd Amendment grassroots efforts need to cooperate with NRA in this country?

Go to your dictionary and look up "non-sequitur."

[mojo84]

I've been reading some of the comments on the OCT facebook page and am astonished at what I see. It is like 5 year olds demanding what they want and that they want it NOW! Their version of revisionist history would make one believe our country won it's independence from England one day because a bunch of people woke up, decided they are going to separate from England, started a fight and it was all over in no time. They refuse to understand our independence was won after a long drawn out process of negotiation and diplomacy had failed and the British sent troops to fight those that were objecting to and wanting to get out from under the rule of the king.

Our independence is the result of Patriots doing what Patriots do,not what 5 year olds do when they want more ice cream.

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American Revolution

1775
The American Revolution begins
At about 5 a.m., 700 British troops, on a mission to capture Patriot leaders and seize a Patriot arsenal, march into Lexington to find 77 armed minutemen under Captain John Parker waiting for them on the town’s common green. British Major John Pitcairn ordered the outnumbered Patriots to disperse, and after a moment’s hesitation the Americans began to drift off the green. Suddenly, the “shot heard around the world” was fired from an undetermined gun, and a cloud of musket smoke soon covered the green. When the brief Battle of Lexington ended, eight Americans lay dead or dying and 10 others were wounded. Only one British soldier was injured, but the American Revolution had begun.

By 1775, tensions between the American colonies and the British government approached the breaking point, especially in Massachusetts, where Patriot leaders formed a shadow revolutionary government and trained militias to prepare for armed conflict with the British troops occupying Boston. In the spring of 1775, General Thomas Gage, the British governor of Massachusetts, received instructions from England to seize all stores of weapons and gunpowder accessible to the American insurgents. On April 18, he ordered British troops to march against the Patriot arsenal at Concord and capture Patriot leaders Samuel Adams and John Hancock, known to be hiding at Lexington.

[mojo84]

Disclaimer: I am a former active member of OCTC. I was at the time of the 2014 state convention. I am a current regional co-coordinator for OCT. I hold a Texas CHL. I am a member of the TSRA If you missed that above. I am even a member of the Texas State Militia. I am a Constitutional Conservative who is involved in multiple causes beyond guns. I also have four legislators personal cell numbers in my phone and another three chiefs of staff. I have been known from time to time go for a walk with a rifle or shotgun.

For all your credentials, one thing you do not possess is my support.

Perhaps you should try working with other organizations to achieve our common goals. The antics your organization pulls does not help further the cause of 2A; they just create more enemies. There's enough divisiveness in our country as it is.

Why don't you guys try cooperating instead?

Cooperate with whom?

People that understand how to get things done and have a track record of doing so.

Are you suggesting that all 2nd Amendment grassroots efforts need to cooperate with NRA in this country?

I'm suggesting it would be much more productive than fighting with them, especially in the public eye. It would also be better than throwing temper tantrums in public like a 5 year old wanting more ice cream and wanting it NOW.

[TXBO]

Disclaimer: I am a former active member of OCTC. I was at the time of the 2014 state convention. I am a current regional co-coordinator for OCT. I hold a Texas CHL. I am a member of the TSRA If you missed that above. I am even a member of the Texas State Militia. I am a Constitutional Conservative who is involved in multiple causes beyond guns. I also have four legislators personal cell numbers in my phone and another three chiefs of staff. I have been known from time to time go for a walk with a rifle or shotgun.

For all your credentials, one thing you do not possess is my support.

Perhaps you should try working with other organizations to achieve our common goals. The antics your organization pulls does not help further the cause of 2A; they just create more enemies. There's enough divisiveness in our country as it is.

Why don't you guys try cooperating instead?

Cooperate with whom?

People that understand how to get things done and have a track record of doing so.

Are you suggesting that all 2nd Amendment grassroots efforts need to cooperate with NRA in this country?

Go to your dictionary and look up "non-sequitur."

LOL! I don't need to look it up. Sorry you can't see the connection.

[TXBO]

Disclaimer: I am a former active member of OCTC. I was at the time of the 2014 state convention. I am a current regional co-coordinator for OCT. I hold a Texas CHL. I am a member of the TSRA If you missed that above. I am even a member of the Texas State Militia. I am a Constitutional Conservative who is involved in multiple causes beyond guns. I also have four legislators personal cell numbers in my phone and another three chiefs of staff. I have been known from time to time go for a walk with a rifle or shotgun.

For all your credentials, one thing you do not possess is my support.

Perhaps you should try working with other organizations to achieve our common goals. The antics your organization pulls does not help further the cause of 2A; they just create more enemies. There's enough divisiveness in our country as it is.

Why don't you guys try cooperating instead?

Cooperate with whom?

People that understand how to get things done and have a track record of doing so.

Are you suggesting that all 2nd Amendment grassroots efforts need to cooperate with NRA in this country?

I'm suggesting it would be much more productive than fighting with them, especially in the public eye.

In this case I'm sure you're right. However, there are many people that are frustrated with results out of Austin. I don't agree with OCT's approach but I understand a grassroots departure from status quo.

[mojo84]

Disclaimer: I am a former active member of OCTC. I was at the time of the 2014 state convention. I am a current regional co-coordinator for OCT. I hold a Texas CHL. I am a member of the TSRA If you missed that above. I am even a member of the Texas State Militia. I am a Constitutional Conservative who is involved in multiple causes beyond guns. I also have four legislators personal cell numbers in my phone and another three chiefs of staff. I have been known from time to time go for a walk with a rifle or shotgun.

For all your credentials, one thing you do not possess is my support.

Perhaps you should try working with other organizations to achieve our common goals. The antics your organization pulls does not help further the cause of 2A; they just create more enemies. There's enough divisiveness in our country as it is.

Why don't you guys try cooperating instead?

Cooperate with whom?

People that understand how to get things done and have a track record of doing so.

Are you suggesting that all 2nd Amendment grassroots efforts need to cooperate with NRA in this country?

I'm suggesting it would be much more productive than fighting with them, especially in the public eye.

In this case I'm sure you're right. However, there are many people that are frustrated with results out of Austin. I don't agree with OCT's approach but I understand a grassroots departure from status quo.

Just because it is a different approach doesn't mean it is effective. Cooperation, or at least not acting like extremist lunatics, would be better than throwing temper tantrums in public like a 5 year old wanting more ice cream and wanting it NOW.

[anygunanywhere]

Disclaimer: I am a former active member of OCTC. I was at the time of the 2014 state convention. I am a current regional co-coordinator for OCT. I hold a Texas CHL. I am a member of the TSRA If you missed that above. I am even a member of the Texas State Militia. I am a Constitutional Conservative who is involved in multiple causes beyond guns. I also have four legislators personal cell numbers in my phone and another three chiefs of staff. I have been known from time to time go for a walk with a rifle or shotgun.

For all your credentials, one thing you do not possess is my support.

Perhaps you should try working with other organizations to achieve our common goals. The antics your organization pulls does not help further the cause of 2A; they just create more enemies. There's enough divisiveness in our country as it is.

Why don't you guys try cooperating instead?

Cooperate with whom?

People that understand how to get things done and have a track record of doing so.

Are you suggesting that all 2nd Amendment grassroots efforts need to cooperate with NRA in this country?

I'm suggesting it would be much more productive than fighting with them, especially in the public eye.

In this case I'm sure you're right. However, there are many people that are frustrated with results out of Austin. I don't agree with OCT's approach but I understand a grassroots departure from status quo.

Since you state that you disagree with both OTC and NRA what exactly is your strategy?

[TXBO]

Just because it is a different approach doesn't mean it is effective. Cooperation, or at least not acting like extremist lunatics, would be better than throwing temper tantrums in public like a 5 year old wanting more ice cream and wanting it NOW.

Very true and all indications are that their approach was not only ineffective but detrimental. I'm neither endorsing nor defending their approach. I'm simply stating that frustration with lack of progress in Austin feed it.

[TXBO]

Since you state that you disagree with both OTC and NRA what exactly is your strategy?

When did I ever say that I disagreed with the NRA? "I am the NRA". Proud 30 year Life member+.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Just because it is a different approach doesn't mean it is effective. Cooperation, or at least not acting like extremist lunatics, would be better than throwing temper tantrums in public like a 5 year old wanting more ice cream and wanting it NOW.

Very true and all indications are that their approach was not only ineffective but detrimental. I'm neither endorsing nor defending their approach. I'm simply stating that frustration with lack of progress in Austin feed it.

I agree with you on this point, but we need to realize that OCT was created 1) because people were upset that Grisham was arrested; and 2) the alleged lack of progress was limited to not passing open-carry. We have made tremendous progress in expanding Second Amendment rights in Texas as the vast majority of Texas gun owners understand and acknowledge. Only a self-centered few claim otherwise and it's solely because their particular priority item or goal has not been achieved. Contrast the tactics and divisive rhetoric used by OCT with the statesmanlike approach used by Students for Concealed Carry. SCC does not attack other people or organizations and they don't act like the failure to pass campus-carry means Texas and all of our elected officials are anti-gun.

Chas.

[anygunanywhere]

Since you state that you disagree with both OTC and NRA what exactly is your strategy?

When did I ever say that I disagreed with the NRA? "I am the NRA". Proud 30 year Life member+.

Are you suggesting that all 2nd Amendment grassroots efforts need to cooperate with NRA in this country?

From this post. The single most important issue with the pro 2A pro gun community is the dissension and infighting that exists. There is an extreme difference in understanding the right and wrong way to accomplish our goals. If you examine the antis and the way they work it is almost a totally orchestrated plan to do away with our freedom.

Not all persons nor organizations will ever be in total agreement but exposing our dirty laundry for the antis to use against us and our goal is the very reason OCT and their like minded brethren are far from being on our side.

I too am a 30 year life NRA member. No I don't agree with everything the NRA does, but they are the 800 lb gorilla to the antis and it would serve our cause better if the rest of the freedom loving 2A community would stop soiling their sleeping quarters and get on the right course.

You keep speaking about frustration with what is coming out of Austin. What are your proposed solutions??

[TXBO]

Since you state that you disagree with both OTC and NRA what exactly is your strategy?

When did I ever say that I disagreed with the NRA? "I am the NRA". Proud 30 year Life member+.

Are you suggesting that all 2nd Amendment grassroots efforts need to cooperate with NRA in this country?

From this post. The single most important issue with the pro 2A pro gun community is the dissension and infighting that exists. There is an extreme difference in understanding the right and wrong way to accomplish our goals. If you examine the antis and the way they work it is almost a totally orchestrated plan to do away with our freedom.

Not all persons nor organizations will ever be in total agreement but exposing our dirty laundry for the antis to use against us and our goal is the very reason OCT and their like minded brethren are far from being on our side.

I too am a 30 year life NRA member. No I don't agree with everything the NRA does, but they are the 800 lb gorilla to the antis and it would serve our cause better if the rest of the freedom loving 2A community would stop soiling their sleeping quarters and get on the right course.

You keep speaking about frustration with what is coming out of Austin. What are your proposed solutions??

My statement doesn't even come close to disagreeing with the NRA. They are the very best at doing what they do..... but frankly that's not enough. Gun owner complacency is the problem. We can't completely rely on NRA to win these battles for us. Voters are responsible for our congressional makeup. The NRA gives us wonderful guidance but they can't pull the lever for us in the ballot box. They can only make our collective voice heard in Austin but they can't make us communicate with our representative. This lack of progress isn't NRA"s fault. It's the millions of gun owners in Texas's fault. Had there been millions of calls from rational, civil gun owners, it might have drowned out some of the crazies.

[anygunanywhere]

Thank you.