Open Season On Our LEO's

[A-R]

AJSully421,

I hope you're in law enforcement?

If you live in the state of Texas, I do believe it's unlawful to carry (even in a vehicle) a collapsible baton, i.e. and "asp" if you're not an LEO.

Anyone here know for certain?

Thanks!

Texas Penal Code
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.
<remainder edited for space>
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view; or
(2) the person is:
(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;
(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.
(a-2) For purposes of this section, "premises" includes real property and a recreational vehicle that is being used as living quarters, regardless of whether that use is temporary or permanent. In this subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily designed as temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains temporary living quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor vehicle. The term includes a travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with living quarters.
(a-3) For purposes of this section, "watercraft" means any boat, motorboat, vessel, or personal watercraft, other than a seaplane on water, used or capable of being used for transportation on water.
(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

[XinTX]

Doubt they're "Christian". Just a roaming bunch of Elmer Gantrys. Wonder if they were camped out in the Wally World parking lot and lifting some beer while they were there. Nothing but trash.

[VMI77]

A family? A family of psychopaths. That was an organized melee not a family altercation.

But an open season on LEO's, not hardly. Per capita and total officer deaths are down significantly from 90-100 years ago when the population was less than one third of what it is today. In 1914 there were 116 LEO deaths among a US population of roughly 99 million. In 2014 there were 117 LEO deaths. With one exception in 2001, LEO deaths have been less than the 215 LEO deaths recorded in 1919 since 1979. The 20s and early 30s were two of the bloodiest decades for LEOs in US history.

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fat ... /year.html

Assaults and assaults with injuries on LEOs have also fallen significantly over the past 10 years. Respectively, 2004 (60,373 and 16,706) versus 2013 (51,625 and 14,857).

http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fat ... facts.html

Of the 117 deaths in 2014, 48 were by gunshot and 48 were traffic fatalities. According to the 10 year total since 2005 traffic related deaths outnumber gunshot deaths (605 versus 539).

LEOs don't usually make the top 10 most dangerous jobs by death rate. Commercial fishing is the deadliest job in America. The 2011 death rate for commercial fishermen was 121 per 100,000. The 2010 death rate for LEOs was 18 per 100,000. For comparison, the 9th and 10th deadliest jobs were electrical linemen and taxi drivers at 20.3 and 19.7 deaths per 100,000 respectively.

http://pattyinglishms.hubpages.com/hub/ ... erous_Jobs

These numbers vary from year to year but they've been pretty consistent over time. The reality is that for a least the past decade LEO injury and death rates have declined significantly, so there is no evidence of an open season on law enforcement.

[Jim Beaux]

SNIP

A family? A family of psychopaths. That was an organized melee not a family altercation.

But an open season on LEO's, not hardly. Per capita and total officer deaths are down significantly from 90-100 years ago when the population was less than one third of what it is today. In 1914 there were 116 LEO deaths among a US population of roughly 99 million. In 2014 there were 117 LEO deaths. With one exception in 2001, LEO deaths have been less than the 215 LEO deaths recorded in 1919 since 1979. The 20s and early 30s were two of the bloodiest decades for LEOs in US history.

Open season on cops & no end in sight

But now the police are the city’s No. 1 whipping boy.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/16/open-seaso ... -in-sight/

FIVE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS on Police and Firefighters since NYC Executions
Since the execution of two New York City policemen the Saturday before Christmas, there have been at least four assassination attempts on police officers and firefighters as well as the killings of two police officers who were fatally shot responding to calls.

Also, police have been attacked at crime scenes by angry mobs.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12 ... xecutions/

NYPD cops warned militant group Black Guerilla Family ‘preparing to shoot on-duty police officers’

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exc ... -1.2036616

[VMI77]

SNIP

A family? A family of psychopaths. That was an organized melee not a family altercation.

But an open season on LEO's, not hardly. Per capita and total officer deaths are down significantly from 90-100 years ago when the population was less than one third of what it is today. In 1914 there were 116 LEO deaths among a US population of roughly 99 million. In 2014 there were 117 LEO deaths. With one exception in 2001, LEO deaths have been less than the 215 LEO deaths recorded in 1919 since 1979. The 20s and early 30s were two of the bloodiest decades for LEOs in US history.

Open season on cops & no end in sight

But now the police are the city’s No. 1 whipping boy.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/16/open-seaso ... -in-sight/

FIVE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS on Police and Firefighters since NYC Executions
Since the execution of two New York City policemen the Saturday before Christmas, there have been at least four assassination attempts on police officers and firefighters as well as the killings of two police officers who were fatally shot responding to calls.

Also, police have been attacked at crime scenes by angry mobs.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12 ... xecutions/

NYPD cops warned militant group Black Guerilla Family ‘preparing to shoot on-duty police officers’

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exc ... -1.2036616

Those are what you call "anecdotes." That's why I gave actual statistics and the source, rather the clickbaiting headlines and media hysteria. Most everything in the media serves an agenda. Blogs like gatewaypundit are all agenda. The source I gave is a pro-cop source. If you look, it also has the stats for the first quarter of 2015....there is no evidence of any open season as claimed by sensationalist media and politicians and sensational headlines --in fact, for the first quarter over 2014, gunshot deaths are down 33%, but traffic fatalities are up 14%....a little early for establishing a trend, but nonetheless, no evidence for a claim of open season.

Reality has no effect on the MSM or politicians or many blog writers. They have an agenda and reality only interferes. The data on this subject is clear and without ambiguity. It was more dangerous to be a LEO 90 years ago...much more dangerous...than it is today. Hyperbolic rhetoric is still just rhetoric...action and facts speak for themselves.

[Jim Beaux]

SNIP

A family? A family of psychopaths. That was an organized melee not a family altercation.

But an open season on LEO's, not hardly. Per capita and total officer deaths are down significantly from 90-100 years ago when the population was less than one third of what it is today. In 1914 there were 116 LEO deaths among a US population of roughly 99 million. In 2014 there were 117 LEO deaths. With one exception in 2001, LEO deaths have been less than the 215 LEO deaths recorded in 1919 since 1979. The 20s and early 30s were two of the bloodiest decades for LEOs in US history.

Open season on cops & no end in sight

But now the police are the city’s No. 1 whipping boy.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/16/open-seaso ... -in-sight/

FIVE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS on Police and Firefighters since NYC Executions
Since the execution of two New York City policemen the Saturday before Christmas, there have been at least four assassination attempts on police officers and firefighters as well as the killings of two police officers who were fatally shot responding to calls.

Also, police have been attacked at crime scenes by angry mobs.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12 ... xecutions/

NYPD cops warned militant group Black Guerilla Family ‘preparing to shoot on-duty police officers’

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exc ... -1.2036616

Those are what you call "anecdotes." That's why I gave actual statistics and the source, rather the clickbaiting headlines and media hysteria. Most everything in the media serves an agenda. Blogs like gatewaypundit are all agenda. The source I gave is a pro-cop source. If you look, it also has the stats for the first quarter of 2015....there is no evidence of any open season as claimed by sensationalist media and politicians and sensational headlines --in fact, for the first quarter over 2014, gunshot deaths are down 33%, but traffic fatalities are up 14%....a little early for establishing a trend, but nonetheless, no evidence for a claim of open season.

Reality has no effect on the MSM or politicians or many blog writers. They have an agenda and reality only interferes. The data on this subject is clear and without ambiguity. It was more dangerous to be a LEO 90 years ago...much more dangerous...than it is today. Hyperbolic rhetoric is still just rhetoric...action and facts speak for themselves.

Your "actual statistics" have no bearing in regards to the anti LEO rhetoric/sentiment/political movement being directed at our police. As I am familiar with your posts, I will not engage further with you on this subject.

[VMI77]

SNIP

A family? A family of psychopaths. That was an organized melee not a family altercation.

But an open season on LEO's, not hardly. Per capita and total officer deaths are down significantly from 90-100 years ago when the population was less than one third of what it is today. In 1914 there were 116 LEO deaths among a US population of roughly 99 million. In 2014 there were 117 LEO deaths. With one exception in 2001, LEO deaths have been less than the 215 LEO deaths recorded in 1919 since 1979. The 20s and early 30s were two of the bloodiest decades for LEOs in US history.

Open season on cops & no end in sight

But now the police are the city’s No. 1 whipping boy.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/16/open-seaso ... -in-sight/

FIVE ASSASSINATION ATTEMPTS on Police and Firefighters since NYC Executions
Since the execution of two New York City policemen the Saturday before Christmas, there have been at least four assassination attempts on police officers and firefighters as well as the killings of two police officers who were fatally shot responding to calls.

Also, police have been attacked at crime scenes by angry mobs.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/12 ... xecutions/

NYPD cops warned militant group Black Guerilla Family ‘preparing to shoot on-duty police officers’

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exc ... -1.2036616

Those are what you call "anecdotes." That's why I gave actual statistics and the source, rather the clickbaiting headlines and media hysteria. Most everything in the media serves an agenda. Blogs like gatewaypundit are all agenda. The source I gave is a pro-cop source. If you look, it also has the stats for the first quarter of 2015....there is no evidence of any open season as claimed by sensationalist media and politicians and sensational headlines --in fact, for the first quarter over 2014, gunshot deaths are down 33%, but traffic fatalities are up 14%....a little early for establishing a trend, but nonetheless, no evidence for a claim of open season.

Reality has no effect on the MSM or politicians or many blog writers. They have an agenda and reality only interferes. The data on this subject is clear and without ambiguity. It was more dangerous to be a LEO 90 years ago...much more dangerous...than it is today. Hyperbolic rhetoric is still just rhetoric...action and facts speak for themselves.

Your "actual statistics" have no bearing in regards to the anti LEO rhetoric/sentiment/political movement being directed at our police. As I am familiar with your posts, I will not engage further with you on this subject.

Good, as you expressed my sentiments exactly. I am pleased to see that you do realize what you're talking about is rhetoric, not action. Rhetoric without action is called empty rhetoric, hence, no open season. However, if you're truly concerned about the rhetoric, you might want to consider the fact that calmly shooting an unarmed man running away 8 times in the back, lying about it, and planting evidence in an attempted cover-up --behavior that would put the rest of us in prison-- while it may not trouble you, outrages most people, and is exactly the kind of behavior that results in anti LEO rhetoric and sentiment.

The best way to prevent anti LEO rhetoric and sentiment from becoming a problem is for law enforcement to obey the law and the US Constitution, and when some don't, for the rest of law enforcement to hold them to account, and for those transgressing to be appropriately punished....appropriate punishment being punishment at least as severe as those of us without the training, arrest powers, and resources of law enforcement would receive for the same crime.

[AJSully421]

AJSully421,

I hope you're in law enforcement?

If you live in the state of Texas, I do believe it's unlawful to carry (even in a vehicle) a collapsible baton, i.e. and "asp" if you're not an LEO.

Anyone here know for certain?

Thanks!

Texas Penal Code
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.
<remainder edited for space>
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view; or
(2) the person is:
(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;
(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.
(a-2) For purposes of this section, "premises" includes real property and a recreational vehicle that is being used as living quarters, regardless of whether that use is temporary or permanent. In this subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily designed as temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains temporary living quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor vehicle. The term includes a travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with living quarters.
(a-3) For purposes of this section, "watercraft" means any boat, motorboat, vessel, or personal watercraft, other than a seaplane on water, used or capable of being used for transportation on water.
(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY.

(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
(6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun;


And I am always carrying a concealed handgun along with a valid license.

[LSUTiger]

SNIP

However, if you're truly concerned about the rhetoric, you might want to consider the fact that calmly shooting an unarmed man running away 8 times in the back, lying about it, and planting evidence in an attempted cover-up --behavior that would put the rest of us in prison-- while it may not trouble you, outrages most people, and is exactly the kind of behavior that results in anti LEO rhetoric and sentiment.

The best way to prevent anti LEO rhetoric and sentiment from becoming a problem is for law enforcement to obey the law and the US Constitution, and when some don't, for the rest of law enforcement to hold them to account, and for those transgressing to be appropriately punished....appropriate punishment being punishment at least as severe as those of us without the training, arrest powers, and resources of law enforcement would receive for the same crime.

[A-R]

AJSully421,

I hope you're in law enforcement?

If you live in the state of Texas, I do believe it's unlawful to carry (even in a vehicle) a collapsible baton, i.e. and "asp" if you're not an LEO.

Anyone here know for certain?

Thanks!

Texas Penal Code
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.
<remainder edited for space>
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view; or
(2) the person is:
(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;
(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.
(a-2) For purposes of this section, "premises" includes real property and a recreational vehicle that is being used as living quarters, regardless of whether that use is temporary or permanent. In this subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily designed as temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains temporary living quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor vehicle. The term includes a travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with living quarters.
(a-3) For purposes of this section, "watercraft" means any boat, motorboat, vessel, or personal watercraft, other than a seaplane on water, used or capable of being used for transportation on water.
(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY.

(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
(6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun;


And I am always carrying a concealed handgun along with a valid license.

You need to reread 46.02. Your ability to legally keep a baton (aka a "club") in your car is within 46.02. Sec 46.15 has nothing to do with it and if you attempt to correlate carrying a club on your person outside your car because of 46.15 you may be in for a rude awakening.

[AJSully421]

AJSully421,

I hope you're in law enforcement?

If you live in the state of Texas, I do believe it's unlawful to carry (even in a vehicle) a collapsible baton, i.e. and "asp" if you're not an LEO.

Anyone here know for certain?

Thanks!

Texas Penal Code
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.
<remainder edited for space>
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view; or
(2) the person is:
(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;
(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.
(a-2) For purposes of this section, "premises" includes real property and a recreational vehicle that is being used as living quarters, regardless of whether that use is temporary or permanent. In this subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily designed as temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains temporary living quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor vehicle. The term includes a travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with living quarters.
(a-3) For purposes of this section, "watercraft" means any boat, motorboat, vessel, or personal watercraft, other than a seaplane on water, used or capable of being used for transportation on water.
(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY.

(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
(6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun;


And I am always carrying a concealed handgun along with a valid license.

You need to reread 46.02. Your ability to legally keep a baton (aka a "club") in your car is within 46.02. Sec 46.15 has nothing to do with it and if you attempt to correlate carrying a club on your person outside your car because of 46.15 you may be in for a rude awakening.

I agree with everything that you just said. I would NEVER carry the thing on my person, I only keep it in my truck. If I ever need to use it, I will make sure that PC Sec. 9 is thoroughly involved first.

[nightmare69]

AJSully421,

I hope you're in law enforcement?

If you live in the state of Texas, I do believe it's unlawful to carry (even in a vehicle) a collapsible baton, i.e. and "asp" if you're not an LEO.

Anyone here know for certain?

Thanks!

Texas Penal Code
Sec. 46.01. DEFINITIONS. In this chapter:
(1) "Club" means an instrument that is specially designed, made, or adapted for the purpose of inflicting serious bodily injury or death by striking a person with the instrument, and includes but is not limited to the following:
(A) blackjack;
(B) nightstick;
(C) mace;
(D) tomahawk.
<remainder edited for space>
Sec. 46.02. UNLAWFUL CARRYING WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun, illegal knife, or club if the person is not:
(1) on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control; or
(2) inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control.
(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or her person a handgun in a motor vehicle or watercraft that is owned by the person or under the person's control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view; or
(2) the person is:
(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic or boating;
(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm; or
(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as defined by Section 71.01.
(a-2) For purposes of this section, "premises" includes real property and a recreational vehicle that is being used as living quarters, regardless of whether that use is temporary or permanent. In this subsection, "recreational vehicle" means a motor vehicle primarily designed as temporary living quarters or a vehicle that contains temporary living quarters and is designed to be towed by a motor vehicle. The term includes a travel trailer, camping trailer, truck camper, motor home, and horse trailer with living quarters.
(a-3) For purposes of this section, "watercraft" means any boat, motorboat, vessel, or personal watercraft, other than a seaplane on water, used or capable of being used for transportation on water.
(b) Except as provided by Subsection (c), an offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.
(c) An offense under this section is a felony of the third degree if the offense is committed on any premises licensed or issued a permit by this state for the sale of alcoholic beverages.

Sec. 46.15. NONAPPLICABILITY.

(b) Section 46.02 does not apply to a person who:
(6) is carrying a concealed handgun and a valid license issued under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, to carry a concealed handgun;


And I am always carrying a concealed handgun along with a valid license.

You need to reread 46.02. Your ability to legally keep a baton (aka a "club") in your car is within 46.02. Sec 46.15 has nothing to do with it and if you attempt to correlate carrying a club on your person outside your car because of 46.15 you may be in for a rude awakening.

They work good against aggressive dogs.