Why do rich people get to carry more places?

[CleverNickname]

OK I'll admit my subject was a bit inflammatory, on purpose. But the fact remains that rich people in Texas are allowed to have armed protection where others cannot. They just have to hire a level IV PPO security officer, which is effectively impossible for the vast majority of Texans due to cost. Level IV PPOs are not prohibited from carry in nearly as many places as CHL licensees are. 30.06 doesn't apply, and other CHL-carry prohibited areas such as professional sports competitions, voting locations on voting day, etc. don't apply. Now, there is a bill (HB308) which would remove restrictions on CHL carry in many of these areas, so I'm grateful that progress is being made there.

That leaves 30.06. Why doesn't this apply to PPOs? Is it because PPOs are more highly trained? I've looked at the PPO requirements and while they're more stringent than a CHL class and range test, they're still not terribly difficult and many if not most CHL licensees could probably pass it. But the thing is, PPOs can't always ignore 30.06; they have to be on duty protecting their client to carry at all on their PPO commission. I assume most PPOs also have a CHL, and they would be affected by 30.06 when carrying on their CHL, so the on-duty requirement shows that it's not just about training or capabilities.

I hate to support restricting carry further, but since we've been told that 30.06 isn't going anywhere (despite other states with good CHL laws like Florida disallowing no-carry signs on private property from having force-of-law) logically I don't see why PPOs should not also be restricted by 30.06 when on duty.

Thoughts?

[cb1000rider]

I think you answered your own questions. Level 4 PPOs can carry because they're "better trained" - at least in theory. "Rich" people can't carry more places. They can hire people that can carry more places. Even you or I could hire an off-duty LEO if we could afford it and it was allowed by departmental policy.

This isn't an issue for me.

The issue for me is when the government starts creating protected classes of people with no other requirement than being a member of that class. IE - if you're a judge, you shouldn't have different rules than a private citizen in regard to how you can protect yourself. If you work in state government, you shouldn't have different rules.

I'd give LEOs a break here as they could be considered to be always on duty and they're obviously better trained than someone who has taken a CHL course.

And realistically, I don't consider the CHL course much training at all. It is a big time-suck - it seems that there are more effective ways to teach other than minimum "class time" based education. I'm told that there are people that actually fail the shooting portion, which is really scary...

[C-dub]

I think you answered your own questions. Level 4 PPOs can carry because they're "better trained" - at least in theory. "Rich" people can't carry more places. They can hire people that can carry more places. Even you or I could hire an off-duty LEO if we could afford it and it was allowed by departmental policy.

This isn't an issue for me.

The issue for me is when the government starts creating protected classes of people with no other requirement than being a member of that class. IE - if you're a judge, you shouldn't have different rules than a private citizen in regard to how you can protect yourself. If you work in state government, you shouldn't have different rules.

I'd give LEOs a break here as they could be considered to be always on duty and they're obviously better trained than someone who has taken a CHL course.

And realistically, I don't consider the CHL course much training at all. It is a big time-suck - it seems that there are more effective ways to teach other than minimum "class time" based education. I'm told that there are people that actually fail the shooting portion, which is really scary...

Correct, the CHL course is not training and neither is the qualification. The qualification is merely a test. And if the only experience a person has is that course and qualification, then I would also agree that a LEO has more training. However, there are many of us that have more training and experience shooting our firearms than many, if not most LEOs, but then that leads us down the path of additional qualification in order to carry in the same places a LEO can. I would propose the theory that there is a fundamental difference between a LEO being able to carry nearly everywhere because of their job versus what should be my right to carry in all the same places without a similar qualification is because it is not my job. It is my right to self defense and to have the ability to protect myself and my family as best I can under the worst circumstances.

[suthdj]

Can't we just get IV PPO traing and hire ourself?

[CleverNickname]

If training and qualifications are the issue (which it doesn't appear to be, because as I noted, the trained PPOs are bound by 30.06 when not on duty and carrying on a CHL), then make an enhanced CHL that is also not bound by 30.06, with the same training requirements as a PPO, but without the legal ability to use the enhanced CHL to provide paid protection.

LEO's not being bound by 30.06 is a little different because in theory they're never off duty and are always still protecting the public at large (not just their client like a PPO) so I don't have near as big a problem with that, unless they're acting as paid security for a specific person when not officially on duty.

[CleverNickname]

Can't we just get IV PPO traing and hire ourself?

No.

[txcharvel]

Can't we just get IV PPO traing and hire ourself?

No.

No, but your wife could hire you, or your kid...just saying

[CleverNickname]

Can't we just get IV PPO traing and hire ourself?

No.

No, but your wife could hire you, or your kid...just saying

No, because a PPO has to be employed by a commissioned security company.

Also even if that wasn't the case it would still be impractical because you're not with your family 24-7. A PPO is only on duty when he's protecting someone else, not himself.

[mojo84]

Just get your local sheriff to deputize you into his posse.

[C-dub]

So, if I start my own security company and my wife and I both get our PPO licenses and we hire each other to protect the other, we're golden? I might also need to hire a few of you guys.

How about we call it the TXCHL Forum Security Company?

[Abraham]

We need to discuss this topic with Rosie O'Donnell and her ilk to gain greater insight...

Perfectfully/reasonable hate aimed at the the peasantry (you - who insist you must be armed in order to protect yourselves from criminals/you're so irrational...) but aren't afforded the the respect she (the rotund) gets with having armed body guards...how dare you question such?

Look here's the 411: You are a peasant. No protection for you.

If we, the royal, decide to place you in state of constant danger...

So be it!

Question not!!

Do as commanded!

Miserable trouble making peasant!!!!

[EEllis]

Since there are very few places you can't carry it seems a bit pointless to worry that bodyguards can do so. One thing that I can see as a difference is the liability insurance that all security companies have to have. Security also have restrictions that private citizens don't have.

[AlaskanInTexas]

So, if I start my own security company and my wife and I both get our PPO licenses and we hire each other to protect the other, we're golden? I might also need to hire a few of you guys.

How about we call it the TXCHL Forum Security Company?

You must really enjoy movies at AMC theaters and Buffalo Wild Wings!!!

[C-dub]

So, if I start my own security company and my wife and I both get our PPO licenses and we hire each other to protect the other, we're golden? I might also need to hire a few of you guys.

How about we call it the TXCHL Forum Security Company?

You must really enjoy movies at AMC theaters and Buffalo Wild Wings!!!

Just spitballing for fun.

[mojo84]

So, if I start my own security company and my wife and I both get our PPO licenses and we hire each other to protect the other, we're golden? I might also need to hire a few of you guys.

How about we call it the TXCHL Forum Security Company?

You must really enjoy movies at AMC theaters and Buffalo Wild Wings!!!

Just spitballing for fun.

It is Friday afternoon after all.