CHL and the house call..

[Crossfire]

Get a sign, give them verbal, or shake in fear. Your choice.

Dan

Good one, Dan! I love it!

[Jason73]

I personally would not hesitate to carry in a private home if I were on a service call. Unless I see a 30.06 or am given effective notice I carry EVERYWHERE that I can legally carry, its my RIGHT to do so. If I cannot legally carry in a certain place then I do not go there, its as simple as that for me.

From the service person's perspective, they don't know what sort of environment theyre walking into, for all they know the homeowner could go postal on them for making a mess on the kitchen floor or something.

We can't have our cake and eat it too folks, if we want to enjoy the right to defend ourselves then we must recognize that others have that same right. As others said, if you don't want someone carrying in your home then post the 30.06, that way law abiding people exercising their right to self defense like me know that we are not welcome there in any capacity.
(yes, CHL-ers are welcome to carry in my home, and I have 3 children)

just my $.02 worth

[Right2Carry]

You brought it up, not me. If you don't like beating a dead horse than I would suggest you seek professional help with your addiction.

Your poor grasp on English aside, accusing me of having an addiction may be construed as a personal attack.

What I brought up, was a conversation about the same topic. Since you're still here, you should notice that happens rather often.
Many of us, we who know how to hit the "quote" button, reference older threads that pertain to the same topic.

I never challenged that you had the "right" to your own opinion.
funny, you get up in arms about your "right" to your own opinion, but other's "right" to defend themselves is of no concern.

Show me once where I said anything about taking away the rights of others to defend themselves. If service people are going to be afraid of making service calls, I suggest that maybe they find new work preferably one that doesn't have a perceived element of danger to it.

Since my grasp of the english language is so bad, please answer the question that continues to be evaded in this thread. If a service person prints or exposes his firearm how do you PROVE that he is a CHL holder if all he does is tell you he is? Surely someone who values his intellect as much as you do can answer that simple question from poor ole dumb me.

I mean we all know that 95% of CHL holders are decent, law abiding citizens but how do you prove as a citizen that he is?

[iflyabeech]

. . . . . If a service person prints or exposes his firearm how do you PROVE that he is a CHL holder if all he does is tell you he is? . . . . .

Remove the words "service person" from your post and replace with "citizen". Now you can see that your intellect makes about as much sense as Micheal Moore.

[Right2Carry]

. . . . . If a service person prints or exposes his firearm how do you PROVE that he is a CHL holder if all he does is tell you he is? . . . . .

Remove the words "service person" from your post and replace with "citizen". Now you can see that your intellect makes about as much sense as Micheal Moore.

Ahhhhh so now we start with the personal attacks. I wasn't the one in this thread stating that we can trust the service person who is in my house because he is a CHL holder. Personally I don't care what happens on the street or in a business, it is none of my business.

IF people on this forum are going to use as an argument that the service person is trustworthy because he has a CHL, than I want to know how to verify this claim. See I already know the answer but I want to hear it from those on this board that say trust the guy because he TOLD you he is a CHL holder.

I find it amazing that the same people on here who see a bad guy behind every bush, rock, car and tree, would all of a sudden take the word of a guy who is a complete stranger in your home performing service work.

Once again the question has been avoided.

[Liberty]

IF people on this forum are going to use as an argument that the service person is trustworthy because he has a CHL, than I want to know how to verify this claim. See I already know the answer but I want to hear it from those on this board that say trust the guy because he TOLD you he is a CHL holder.

I find it amazing that the same people on here who see a bad guy behind every bush, rock, car and tree, would all of a sudden take the word of a guy who is a complete stranger in your home performing service work.

Once again the question has been avoided.

The answer is obvious. If a serviceman flashes. You can ask if he has a CHL. If he responds affirmative. You can ask to see his CHL. You can ask him to leave if he doesn't have one.

[phddan]

Gentlemen, let's keep this civil to avoid the lockdown

This was the original question that started the thread.

My day job requires me to call on my customers in their homes.

As a new CHL holder, I'm still wrestling with carrying in the customers' homes.

Any input?

Thanks.

The question was answered several times affirming the legal right to carry in a customers home.

Then the question of

"Are you opening yourself up wideopen to getting yourself shot by entering another persons home without announcing you are armed? If they saw your weapon, how would they know you were not there to do them harm?"

came up.

It makes no difference if you are in a home, office, store, or on the street. You might see it as your home, but the service man is looking at it as dealing with the public. Both are correct. And to shoot someone who isn't making threatening moves or gestures is criminal.

Then,

"I still would prefer people I do not know entering my home with a firearm. Especially with a 4 year old here."

The only way to keep a person who is legally carrying with a CHL from entering your home is to post a 30.06 sign, or give them verbal notice. And that 4 year old needs to be kept back out of the way. The service man is there to work, not play with your kid.

"How do I know he/she is legal?"

You don't unless you ask. Every CHL holder I know would be more than willing to put your mind at ease, should they happen to print of flash. Unless they were carrying without a holster and it was tucked in the front of their pants, it would be a safe bet that they are licensed. If it was me, I would be asking what it was, how he likes it and how does he like the holster. What kind of groups he gets, how does the trigger feel, etc., etc., etc. We would probably end up stepping out back and put a few downrange.


"Show me once where I said anything about taking away the rights of others to defend themselves. If service people are going to be afraid of making service calls, I suggest that maybe they find new work preferably one that doesn't have a perceived element of danger to it."

Service people go to many places. From the ghetto's to the affluent. Criminals exist every where. To suggest they find a new job because they are afraid is akin to me asking why you dont move to a place that your are not afraid to go out in public with your gun, if in fact you do have a CHL.

And once again I'll say, post a sign or give a verbal. Your problem is solved, against any law abiding service man. However, you have done nothing to keep a criminal out. Maybe you should think about installing metal detectors at your doors.

Dan

Edited for 10 yod rule. Glockenhammer

[BrassMonkey]

OK,
hang on a sec, I grew up "helping"all the service people who came to the house, are you telling me this is not accepted here?

If some plumber is rooting around undee the sink, there is no reason he can't go over and watch and even help.

No No No No No

Good gravy, I can't believe you are serious. It's bad enough when grown ups get in the work space, but your going to let a child watch and help???!!!!!
That child ought to be in another room, or at least no where near a service man.

Wow

Dan

[phddan]

OK,
hang on a sec, I grew up "helping"all the service people who came to the house, are you telling me this is not accepted here?

Thats exactly what I am saying.
Service people have tools that are heavy, sharp, and dangerous. And you think it is a good idea for your 4 year old to be playing with that???? If the service person is concentrating on their job at hand, it is very hard to not bump, elbow, or step on a little 4 year old that is close.

Dan

[NcongruNt]

OK,
hang on a sec, I grew up "helping"all the service people who came to the house, are you telling me this is not accepted here?

Thats exactly what I am saying.
Service people have tools that are heavy, sharp, and dangerous. And you think it is a good idea for your 4 year old to be playing with that???? If the service person is concentrating on their job at hand, it is very hard to not bump, elbow, or step on a little 4 year old that is close.

Dan

I concur.

[jhutto]

a bit off topic, sorry

Andy,

OMG this is funny
http://www.andywhite.net/hsf1462.htm

[iflyabeech]

. . . . . If a service person prints or exposes his firearm how do you PROVE that he is a CHL holder if all he does is tell you he is? . . . . .

Remove the words "service person" from your post and replace with "citizen". Now you can see that your intellect makes about as much sense as Micheal Moore.

Hey man, not a personal attack. You used the term intellect previously and I was expanding it. What I meant was your argument makes no sense. How does anyone prove he is a CHL holder? ANSWER: He doesn't have to prove anything to a non-LEO. You are arguing like an anti, and they make no sense! Sorry but a spade is a spade!

[iflyabeech]

I clean carpets for extra money sometimes. Under no circumstance would I want someones kid to help me. How frustrating! Keep your kiddos out of their way!

[Charles L. Cotton]

Gentlemen, let's keep this civil to avoid the lockdown

Dan

This is a good topic to discuss. With the size of the service industry in Texas, it's quite likely that many of our members work in that industry. Also, most of us have service people in our homes periodically. It's also a topic that is generating a good deal of emotion.

From reading this thread, it certainly appears that some posts are at least bordering on personal attacks and some are being misinterpreted to be personal attacks. Remember folks, when we stop talking about the issue and start talking about the poster, then we're treading on thin ice.

Chas.

[iflyabeech]

Sorry, I did not mean anything personal. I was just pointing out that the arguments used against a service person in a house make as much sense as the arguments the antis use in general. If you want to keep out the law abiding CHler's, put up a sign. But don't think for a second that any sign will deter a criminal!