California bound

[cowhow]

Over the Holidays the wife and I are travelling to the Bay area to see family. I am taking a CCW, probably a baby Glock. My cocern isnt Arizona or New Mexico. But, California is a huge concern. I dont want to lose a weapon and/or wind up in jail. From the research I've done its OK to bring the weapon into CA and to keep it loaded in my place of temporary residence. It is not OK to carry loaded in my car and must be kept in a locked hard case. Do I understand correctly? This is one post I found relating to my question.

take a drive down the 2 (pch) pretty views

Um, I'm lost. What/where is the 2 and what is pch?

(who says guys don't ask directions?)

Highway 2 is the Angeles Crest Highway.........first road I ever dragged a knee on. Runs from La Cañada up to Wrightwood, topping out at a little 8,000 ft at its highest point. A beautiful drive if you've got the time.

PCH is Pacific Coast Highway, also called Highway 1.

Regarding guns....here is a communication I got a while back from a California friend of mine by the name of Frank who is LEO. I had some questions since I had been away from the state for a while, and I wanted to know about driving around there with a gun:

Hi TAM.... not that it's going to be a pleasant trip for you, but welcome back to CA. You ask some good questions so I'll try for good answers.

It doesn't matter whether your chosen gun is on roster or not so far as bringing it into the state temporarily. So long as you don't bring any mags that hold more than 10 rounds (instant felony when crossing the state line) your handguns are fine if otherwise legal where you bought them. The only exception I can think of off the top is a threaded (as in to accept a suppressor) barrel. That would be a bad thing to bring in to California. If you have an otherwise stock M&P 45 or M&P 340, you're good to go so bring them.

You'd only have to report importing a handgun into the state if you establish residence and move here. Otherwise, no worry.

{———snip about Nevada———}

California still allows you to CCW without permit on your own property or place of business. Inside your mom's property would be exempt from the Gun Free School Zone (state and federal) if there happens to be a school within 1000 feet. If you are hotelling it, the law does allow you to keep a loaded, concealable firearm in any temporary domicile, which includes a hotel room. I always have a loaded pistol in my hotel/motel room when I travel, unload it and take it with me in a locked container when I go out.

Ammo... there are no illegal rounds in CA, except tracers and chemical agent rounds. I stoke Pamela's Model 19 snub with 130 grain Gold Dot short barrel 38 +P. Both the rounds you mention are over the counter here. Bring 'em.

Traveling around with the gun.... unloaded and in a locked container is how it's done. The exemption lives in 12026 of the Penal Code. The locked trunk of a car = locked container. Glove box does not = locked container. An attache case with combo lock = locked container. The locked container covers you when passing through the magical 1000 foot from the boundary line of a school.... which are invisible and not marked in any way.

Loaded mags, or charged speedloaders in the same container with the gun, in the car or on your person DO NOT = loaded weapon so long as the gun lives in it's locked container. There is abundant case law on point. You can keep a shotgun in the car with ammo on a sidesaddle or buttcuff and the gun IS NOT loaded. If charged mag is NOT inserted in the butt of the pistol + NO round is chambered = NOT loaded.

There is a great deal of bad info, including still some LEOs, out there on this point about mags or loaders being present = loaded. That is crap, and we spend a lot of time out here educating on that. Case law, good statewide, covers that.

Should you want to try unloaded open carry, please don't. The field is littered with mines and it tends to piss off the po-po even though it's perfectly legal under state law. The gun free school zones are everywhere and there have been a couple of high profile cases, including one in LA county, where open carriers have been racked for school zone violations and convicted.

Hope all this helps and let me know if I raised more questions than I answered.

Cheers!!!!!

Frank

Like Frank said, Cheers.

[RoyGBiv]

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Carrying Firearms: From the CA Attorney General
Any person over the age of 18 who is not prohibited from possessing firearms, and if otherwise
lawful, may keep and carry a firearm or have a firearm loaded at his or her place of residence,
temporary residence, campsite, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the person.
(Penal Code §§ 12026, 12031(h) and (l).)

RV/Car Carry Without A Permit/License
You must have a Permit/License to carry a loaded handgun in any vehicle.
The transportation or carrying of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person by any citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years who resides or is temporarily within this
state, and is not within the excepted classes prescribed by Penal Code Sections 29800 or 29900
or Welfare and Institutions Code sections 8100 & 8103, provided that the following applies:
1.the firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the vehicle's trunk or in a locked container
in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment,
2.and when the firearm is carried by the person to or from any motor vehicle for any lawful purpose,
the firearm must be contained in a locked container while being physically carried. (Penal Code § 16850)

California Pena
l Code section 25400 does not prevent a citizen of the United States over 18 years of age who
is not lawfully prohibited from firearm possession, and who resides or is temporarily in California, from
transporting by motor vehicle any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the
person provided the firearm is unloaded and stored in a locked container.
The term "locked container" means a secure container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key
lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. This includes the trunk of a motor vehicle, but does not
include the utility or glove compartment. For more information, refer to California Penal Code Section
25610.

[cowhow]

Thanks. I did see that earlier. I guess that should be plain enough but I wanted to be certain I was readimg it right. You know, old eyes can sometimes fib to you. :-)) Obviously, you always want to know and follow laws, but California isnt the most gun friendly state. For example the Glock 26 I have has mag extensions giving me more than 10 roumds. I was assume that would be a no-no to take even though the mags in stock form only have 10 rds.

[RoyGBiv]

I would not bring my gun to California.
I would ,if possible ,not bring my family to California.

Buena suerte amigo

[The Annoyed Man]

I would not bring my gun to California.
I would ,if possible ,not bring my family to California.

Buena suerte amigo

I just got back from there at 12:30am Saturday morning. One word of caution....watch what you eat. My wife and I have both been stricken with some kind of gastroenteritis accompanied by LW grade fevers. Pretty sure it is some thing we ate, since we both became symptomatic right at the same time.

Now about guns.... That was my post that you quoted up top. Whenever I fly to California, I just leave the guns at home. We can't carry there, and we can't have a loaded gun in the vehicle we rent, I have no confidence in airline personnel in California to deal with firearms declarations professionally, and I'm not sure that I trust hotel housekeeping not to steal it. So, there's not much point in bringing a gun on the flight.

However, when I drive to California, I carry. I bring either a .357 revolver or a 1911, and my wife brings her Kahr CW9, so that there will be no confusion about the gun's legality. On the way there, we always stop at the In 'n Out in Kingman, buy lunch, and disarm and lock up the guns in their cases since the border is just a few more miles down the road. On the way home, we always stop at a rest area just inside of Arizona right after you pass through Needles and cross the Colorado river. There, we re-arm and proceed.

We are both gray-haired and non-threatening in appearance. I could PROBABLY get away with carrying and never get caught. But the price of getting caught is too high, so I don't.

I lived in California for most of my life until moving to Texas in 2006. I have no plans to return there again until my mother passes. This recent trip there was probably my last until then.

[Dadtodabone]

I would not bring my gun to California.
I would ,if possible ,not bring my family to California.

Buena suerte amigo

I just got back from there at 12:30am Saturday morning. One word of caution....watch what you eat. My wife and I have both been stricken with some kind of gastroenteritis accompanied by LW grade fevers. Pretty sure it is some thing we ate, since we both became symptomatic right at the same time.

Sorry to hear you've been under the weather.
Call it what you will; natural, organic, locavore, sustainable, community, rooftop, etc. all of these forms of farming/gardening are very popular in the PRC.
Besides the inefficiencies that they share, all have two things in common, poo and bugs.
Based on U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) reported recall information, Organic foods are four to eight times more likely to be recalled than conventional foods for safety issues like bacterial contamination. No herbicides, no pesticides, in some cases no FDA/USDA inspections.
In other words the California hip/chic/cool are eating a 3rd world diet, with all of it's problems.

[cowhow]

I would not bring my gun to California.
I would ,if possible ,not bring my family to California.

Buena suerte amigo

I just got back from there at 12:30am Saturday morning. One word of caution....watch what you eat. My wife and I have both been stricken with some kind of gastroenteritis accompanied by LW grade fevers. Pretty sure it is some thing we ate, since we both became symptomatic right at the same time.

Now about guns.... That was my post that you quoted up top. Whenever I fly to California, I just leave the guns at home. We can't carry there, and we can't have a loaded gun in the vehicle we rent, I have no confidence in airline personnel in California to deal with firearms declarations professionally, and I'm not sure that I trust hotel housekeeping not to steal it. So, there's not much point in bringing a gun on the flight.

However, when I drive to California, I carry. I bring either a .357 revolver or a 1911, and my wife brings her Kahr CW9, so that there will be no confusion about the gun's legality. On the way there, we always stop at the In 'n Out in Kingman, buy lunch, and disarm and lock up the guns in their cases since the border is just a few more miles down the road. On the way home, we always stop at a rest area just inside of Arizona right after you pass through Needles and cross the Colorado river. There, we re-arm and proceed.

We are both gray-haired and non-threatening in appearance. I could PROBABLY get away with carrying and never get caught. But the price of getting caught is too high, so I don't.Y

I lived in California for most of my life until moving to Texas in 2006. I have no plans to return there again until my mother passes. This recent trip there was probably my last until then.

Thanks for the advice. We actually plan on spending the night in Kingman before going on to the Bay Area. That was my plan to take a hard case, lock up the gun and keep it in the trunk unloaded. I agree totally that the risk is to high to tempt fate.

[knotquiteawake]

Now about guns.... That was my post that you quoted up top. Whenever I fly to California, I just leave the guns at home. We can't carry there, and we can't have a loaded gun in the vehicle we rent, I have no confidence in airline personnel in California to deal with firearms declarations professionally, and I'm not sure that I trust hotel housekeeping not to steal it. So, there's not much point in bringing a gun on the flight.

I lived in California for most of my life until moving to Texas in 2006. I have no plans to return there again until my mother passes. This recent trip there was probably my last until then.

This is what I do as well. All of my family still lives in CA so we go back there a couple times a year so they can see the grand-kids. I will never bother to bring a gun with me when we fly there. Its just not worth the hassle to me and even once there I can't carry it on me, in the car, or pretty much anywhere else. Heck even transporting a gun to a range to shoot is a huge hassle, ammo and firearms separate etc... My parents have plenty of guns in the house anyways.
I was born there and lived there until I was 25, 5 years in Texas now and I'm certain i'll never move back to CA.

[cowhow]

Man, i didn't realize just how gun unfriendly CA was until I started reading their laws for this trip. Makes me appreciate Being a Texan even more.

[The Annoyed Man]

yep.

[Charlies.Contingency]

My wife is from California and her mom, brother, and sister live there. About every other week or so I get to hear her beg for us to move to California, and each time I tell her unless the state drastically changes their gun laws to be less restrictive, it's not even a consideration. Looks like we're going to stay "Texans" for a long while.

Why not make them move hear? They'd be so much happier, I hope they haven't been brainwashed by those leftists to feel pain when they hear the truth. Texas or nothin' for me.

[Charlies.Contingency]

My wife is from California and her mom, brother, and sister live there. About every other week or so I get to hear her beg for us to move to California, and each time I tell her unless the state drastically changes their gun laws to be less restrictive, it's not even a consideration. Looks like we're going to stay "Texans" for a long while.

Why not make them move hear? They'd be so much happier, I hope they haven't been brainwashed by those leftists to feel pain when they hear the truth. Texas or nothin' for me.

Her mom has considered it but she keeps going back and forth on the idea. I don't think they're really interested into moving and I don't know what it would take to get them too.

How about them visiting here? Take them down to big shell and let them ride some horses down the beach, or go hiking and big bend, or tube down the guadalupe, or breathe fresh air and see a beautiful night sky, or... heck, I don't want my fingers to fall off explaining how epic, and how big Texas is compared to an upside down state like California. I'm not sure how to compare a rice bowl from the movie "Ghost Ship" to a big juicy Texas sized steak, with a suicide side of taters, corn, and green beans, along with a giant butter glazed Texas roll... that's about the best I got as far as analogies on Texas vs California...