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[Greybeard]

A good thing that Officer Wilson was not limited to just 10 +1. And that his training ingrained in his brain "blind racking" the slide.

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[mr1337]

Absolutely. And it goes to show that even with one assailant, it's conceivable that you would need many more rounds than you think. Magazine limits are arbitrary, and they only succeed in limiting the ability of the law-abiding to protect themselves.

The article did not mention this - but according to Ofc. Wilson's testimony to the grand jury, he did have to rack the slide once, ejecting a round, after pulling the trigger twice with no bang. So that would put it at 2 fired inside the vehicle, 1 ejected after failing to fire, and 9 rounds outside the vehicle, leaving the last round in the chamber.

This shows that in a worst case scenario with a capacity limited magazine, you might not be able to get that many shots. Malfunctions are a real thing, and one fewer rounds could leave you dead.

Remember: There's no such thing as too much ammo.

[mr surveyor]

I guess I'm a dead man if I ever get into a confrontation since my short, stubby fingers just don't get along with double stack grips.


jd

[VoiceofReason]

Absolutely. And it goes to show that even with one assailant, it's conceivable that you would need many more rounds than you think. Magazine limits are arbitrary, and they only succeed in limiting the ability of the law-abiding to protect themselves.

The article did not mention this - but according to Ofc. Wilson's testimony to the grand jury, he did have to rack the slide once, ejecting a round, after pulling the trigger twice with no bang. So that would put it at 2 fired inside the vehicle, 1 ejected after failing to fire, and 9 rounds outside the vehicle, leaving the last round in the chamber.

This shows that in a worst case scenario with a capacity limited magazine, you might not be able to get that many shots. Malfunctions are a real thing, and one fewer rounds could leave you dead.

Remember: There's no such thing as too much ammo.

I carry a Kimber, two 8 round mags and one7.

With an 8 round mag loaded and one in the pipe that gives me 9 rounds. I figure if I hit the perp twice in the chest with 45 Hydroshocks, I will have six left over

I’m lazy. I don’t want to shoot the perp any more times than I have to in order to stop him.

[Greybeard]

Unclear here if Wilson ejected a live round or if he ejected an empty case. Failure to cycle due to slide being impaired? In any event, 50% of the bullets did not get to Brown. And 2 that did hit him in the chest, failed to stop.

[C-dub]

I had only heard of one round being fired inside the vehicle during the struggle for the gun and first heard about two rounds while at a friends (DPD Sergeant) house this past weekend.

I'm also a little surprised the Sig only holds 12+1 in .40. The full size Glock in .40 is 15+1 and my G21SF is 13+1.

[Greybeard]

In Wilson's testimony, he said he thinks he saw the second round fired inside the SUV kick up some dirt or dust outside the car.

I think the Sig 229 is somewhat "compact", with a 1/2" shorter barrel than the 226 (same mag capacity).

Ya, I agree, compared to some other mfgrs, those guns are a little light on capacity for their size. The factory mags that came with my (full size) 226 in 9mm hold 15 rounds. But, FWIW, I was able to find a very high quality flush fit magazine for it by Mec-Gar that holds 18 and works great. Go figure.

[TXlaw1]

Was there any testimony about what cartridge Officer Wilson was carrying? Manufacturer? Type? Bullet weight?

Inquisitive minds want to know.

[Greybeard]

Not for sure, as I was sometimes doing hit and miss on gobs of pages, but seems like I might have seen one of the many people maybe mention Federal shell casing ... ? No mention that I saw of bullet type or THIS inquisitive mind wold have picked up on that. Just guessing probably HST. Depending upon how bad ya wanna know , here's the link. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphi ... timony.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[rtschl]

I've seen various reports that he had a Sig P229. If the attacker grabbed the gun when it was fired and held the slide to keep the round from ejecting, then he would have to manually eject to clear the jam. I saw a video on youtube and bearingarms.com but had some language in it. You can google it. It's titled: "Click, Click, BANG: Understanding Why Darren Wilson’s Pistol Did Not Fire".

But I've seen the following video before of self defense against a semi-auto handgun (if unarmed) by grabbing the slide so it doesn't eject the round: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVtXPIjM3jQ Fast forward to the 1:05 mark to see it.

So his gun may not have misfired, but the assailant may have prevented it after the first shot was fired.

Ron

[Greybeard]

I got the 226 out today and messed with it a bit. With the slide pushed back about 1/4", the trigger went "click, click". With the slide moved back another 1/4", the trigger went limp with little or no sound.