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[SQLGeek]

Gotcha, I guess I should have read your first post a little closer.

I carry a G19 and have carried Kahr with no manual safety with no misgivings. Keeping it in a quality holster that covers the trigger guard and there are going to be no problems with the gun firing. A Glock has three safety mechanisms on it and is designed to not fire unless the trigger is directly pulled.

Is there a particular need you're wanting to fulfill with getting a Glock? If not, it's a great gun just to own even if you won't carry it.

[carlson1]

the sig has been accurate out of the box but as I posted earlier I never owned or shot a glock and just want opinions before I buy one, I just don't know about a 5lb trigger pull with no safety or decocker carrying with a round in the chamber because I am used to a 1911 cocked and locked and the sig decocked

All of my Glocks have 3.5lb trigger. No problem if keep your finger off the trigger.

[patterson]

the sig has been accurate out of the box but as I posted earlier I never owned or shot a glock and just want opinions before I buy one, I just don't know about a 5lb trigger pull with no safety or decocker carrying with a round in the chamber because I am used to a 1911 cocked and locked and the sig decocked

All of my Glocks have 3.5lb trigger. No problem if keep your finger off the trigger.

I thought they come with a 5.5lb pull

[patterson]

well if I decide to pick up a g19 I may just use it for a range gun and hd

[carlson1]

the sig has been accurate out of the box but as I posted earlier I never owned or shot a glock and just want opinions before I buy one, I just don't know about a 5lb trigger pull with no safety or decocker carrying with a round in the chamber because I am used to a 1911 cocked and locked and the sig decocked

All of my Glocks have 3.5lb trigger. No problem if keep your finger off the trigger.

I thought they come with a 5.5lb pull

They come with the 5.5lb pull, but I changed mine out to the 3.5lb trigger.

[C-dub]

the sig has been accurate out of the box but as I posted earlier I never owned or shot a glock and just want opinions before I buy one, I just don't know about a 5lb trigger pull with no safety or decocker carrying with a round in the chamber because I am used to a 1911 cocked and locked and the sig decocked

All of my Glocks have 3.5lb trigger. No problem if keep your finger off the trigger.

I thought they come with a 5.5lb pull

That's what they say, but I put a gauge on my G21 once and it was nearly 7 pounds. I have considered getting it lightened up somehow, but haven't done it yet. Either way, keep things out of the trigger guard and there won't be any problems.

[Vol Texan]

If torn between these two guns, you have to figure out if you want a striker fired polymer, or SA/DA with some heft to it.

All the other points wash out when compared the above primary differentiator.

This was the difference for me. I can fire both, and both are great guns, but for me the SA/DA had a lot of value over the striker fired for reasons explained here.

But I didn't feel that I compromised...instead of picking between a striker fired polymer and a SA/DA with some heft, I got a SigSauer SP2022, which is a SA/DA polymer. That way I got the benefit of the weight reduction of the polymer, but I still got the action I wanted (and no safety, which I also wanted, as explained in my link above).

[Excaliber]

I like a handgun with heft to it, I started out shooting revolvers

Sounds like the Sig wins out, for you, then. I can't stand SA/DA pistols, and I hate pulling that first shot, but Sig and many others have sold millions of handguns with that design so many people do enjoy it.

I have not yet accomplished the DA/SA pistol yet. Yet it seems that the first shot is always pulled.

DA/SA guns are not designed to be shot well. They're designed for overcoming the safety concerns of people who don't know anything about gun safety but do the buying for large organizations. Overcoming those objections is what they do best.

Years ago I had to carry a DA/SA on duty and was responsible for training 200 officers to use it on the street. The trigger action can be smoothed and with enough practice one can become competent with the system. I got reasonably good with it, but that's sort of like saying I got good at firing the gun upside down because that's what was required.

After I left that agency, I never bought one of those things again.

[patterson]

I like a handgun with heft to it, I started out shooting revolvers

Sounds like the Sig wins out, for you, then. I can't stand SA/DA pistols, and I hate pulling that first shot, but Sig and many others have sold millions of handguns with that design so many people do enjoy it.

I have not yet accomplished the DA/SA pistol yet. Yet it seems that the first shot is always pulled.

DA/SA guns are not designed to be shot well. They're designed for overcoming the safety concerns of people who don't know anything about gun safety but do the buying for large organizations. Overcoming those objections is what they do best.

Years ago I had to carry a DA/SA on duty and was responsible for training 200 officers to use it on the street. The trigger action can be smoothed and with enough practice one can become competent with the system. I got reasonably good with it, but that's sort of like saying I got good at firing the gun upside down because that's what was required.

After I left that agency, I never bought one of those things again.

"not designed to be shot well" come on

[patterson]

so are revolvers not intended to be shot well

[Excaliber]

so are revolvers not intended to be shot well

You may be missing my point.

The DA/SA transition between the first and second shots takes considerable work to master to the point where both shots hit close to point of aim when used in a defensive encounter.

Revolvers are DA only, so there is no transition between the first and second shots. This consistent operation is not hard to master, even though the weight of the pull is greater than an SA auto. Revolver trigger operation is also typically much smoother than the ones on DA/SA autos, which are usually uneven and have lots of creep and overtravel.

DA/SA guns absolutely can be shot well - with lots of extra effort and training that many folks are not willing to put in. I saw hundreds of people go through that process. Most of them eventually mastered these guns, but it took a lot more work than it would have with either DA only or SA only designs.

My point is that the DA/ SA design itself creates one more significant and in my opinion unnecessary obstacle for a shooter to overcome on the road to becoming combat effective. It was designed to be the answer to avoiding cocked and locked carry before the better striker fired trigger systems were developed. While there are still plenty of such guns out there, you'll note that they are not dominant in the LE or defensive marketplace and there's a reason for that.

Of course, this is only my opinion - which is worth exactly what you paid for it

[gigag04]

so are revolvers not intended to be shot well

Not sure why you're offended...if you like that design, I think we would be happy for you to arm yourself with one.

If I may speak for those of us that are not a fan of that system, it is likely because we have spent countless hours in formal firearms training and seen what works and what does not work well in a firearm platform.

Frankly, the SA/DA system does not work BEST for folks when speed and accuracy (aka lethality) matter. It sure does work, and plenty of bad guys have been stopped with that system. Given the option, I would opt for a striker fired, near industructable, polymer everytime (think Glock or M&P). I won't discount your preference for that design though, which is why I encouraged you to get one earlier.



Regarding revolvers...anything with a long, heavy, unnatural trigger pull, would fall into the category of "not designed to be shot well" for me. They do offer other advantages though, outside of surgical shooting. Others, may have other feelings.

[patterson]

im not offended but I prefer the added safety when I carry cocked and locked or round in chamber and decocked on a sig its just my preference and im definetly interested in picking up a glock but probably will not use for carry,I will carry what feels comfortable in my hand and what I shoot the most accurate and what I feel is the most safest for me

[canvasbck]

I don't think this guy (Ben Stoger) had much problem mastering the DA/SA thing. For the record, I'm not a fan of them, but they can absolutely be mastered.

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FYI, he has won a USPSA national production championship with a 92.

[patterson]

I have heard some elite military groups choose the da/sa of a sig and could choose whatever they want