Sonic & Chili's: Leave your guns at home

[NavyVet1959]

This noise obviously does NOBODY any good. On the other hand, has anyone considered that this may actually be a Bloomberg funded group??? WOW, what a GREAT way to turn the average "I don't really have an opinion about guns" person into someone who WOULD support more gun control.... Don't think the other side is that smart, but then again, the best way to destroy ANY group is from WITHIN.... Has anyone done any research on the folks in this group and the history of their political affiliations????? Just sayin'......

IF that was the case, then the best thing we could do is fully support their open carry efforts. That sure would shove it in the face of Bloomberg and all the other leftist idiots. Show him that TEXANS don't have a problem with people exercising their 2nd Amendment rights.

[Bladed]

This is not a country where we get to tell people to shut it and sit down. This is a nation where dialog can will and must take place. If the 2nd amendment people do not come together in reasonable conversation then a house divided against itself will not stand. The anti's will win and we all lose.

As far as I'm concerned, *compromise* is what has gotten us into the sorry condition we are currently in. Every attempt at compromise has resulted in the leftists gaining ground and then using that as a point to further assault our 2nd Amendment guaranteed rights. The time for compromise is over. We need to put the leftists on the defensive. We need to take back ground.

Off the top of my head, here are a few compromises that constituted huge gains for gun owners.

1. Texas's CHL law: Twenty years ago, one side wanted citizen to be able to carry handguns for personal protection, and the other side wanted to maintain the status quo in which only trained, vetted, commissioned peace officers could carry handguns. The two sides compromised.

2. The federal safe passage law: The Hughes amendment not withstanding, the Firearm Owners Protection Act was a compromise between states that wanted local control over their firearms laws and gun owners who wanted to be able to travel with their guns without risking jail time.

3. Virtually every gun rights bill that has ever passed in Texas or any other state: Whether we're talking about the passage of PC 30.06 (a compromise between gun rights and property rights), negotiations over the parking lot bill (certain influential groups were granted limited exceptions in order to ensure passage of the bill), or changing "fails to conceal" to "intentionally displays" in 46.035(a) (it's not open carry, but it does address the issue of unintentional display), most gun rights wins involve some form of compromise.

In my humble opinion, one of the more pervasive threats to the gun rights movement is the all-or-nothing mentality promoted by some of the more fanatical factions of the movement (e.g., the open carry advocates who, in complete disregard for the realities of Texas politics, are antagonistic toward efforts to pass anything less than unlicensed open carry). It's rare to see a controversial bill pass without at least a few concessions, and nothing is gained by watching a perfect bill die.

[mamabearCali]

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As far as I'm concerned, *compromise* is what has gotten us into the sorry condition we are currently in. Every attempt at compromise has resulted in the leftists gaining ground and then using that as a point to further assault our 2nd Amendment guaranteed rights. The time for compromise is over. We need to put the leftists on the defensive. We need to take back ground.[/quote]

This is not a compromise with lefties who want to take your guns, but with people who want to carry their guns openly whose tactics are not helping. It is about reasonable people coming together and saying...you want to make political statements. You want to carry openly. Ok. I am not comfortable with all of that but it would help us all if you followed a few reasonable suggestions in your cause. 1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

Look y'all are going to have to deal with these guys. They are not going to just shut up and go away. So if you stick your fingers in your ears and say "y'all are crazies I'm not listening" then it is only going to get worse. If you engage them, you have a chance to influence them with more caution and wisdom.

[RetNavy]

1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..

[canvasbck]

1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..

Or, here's an even better idea...........after your rally on public property is over, put the LG's away in your vehicle before going into a private business. If you still want to engage patrons, pass out flyers, and drum up support, switch to an empty holster. Take the ammo (pun not intended) away from Moms demand action. How silly will they look when they claim that employees at Jack in the Box were hiding in the cooler because of a bunch of empty holsters.

On a tactical note, I would wear the empty holster on my weak side to not impede my ability to access whats on the strong side.

[Cedar Park Dad]

1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..

Can't think of many restaurants that would think this is a good idea.
Sorry but keep businesses out of it. It just makes everyone look stupid and is a direct feed to the MotherJones types.

Businesses aren't discriminating. The law is what you're protesting against so protest appropriately.

[Cedar Park Dad]

1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..

Or, here's an even better idea...........after your rally on public property is over, put the LG's away in your vehicle before going into a private business. If you still want to engage patrons, pass out flyers, and drum up support, switch to an empty holster. Take the ammo (pun not intended) away from Moms demand action. How silly will they look when they claim that employees at Jack in the Box were hiding in the cooler because of a bunch of empty holsters.

On a tactical note, I would wear the empty holster on my weak side to not impede my ability to access whats on the strong side.

Exactly. Enlighten and educate, don't alarm.

But that won't be done. I'm convinced the guys doing this stuff are not 2nd amendment advocates, but exhibitionists who found a way to get themselves hits on Youtube.

[jmra]

1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..

Can't think of many restaurants that would think this is a good idea.
Sorry but keep businesses out of it. It just makes everyone look stupid and is a direct feed to the MotherJones types.

Businesses aren't discriminating. The law is what you're protesting against so protest appropriately.

I truly have never seen an organization more involved in self destructing their cause than these individuals. They are complete morons totally disconnected from reality. What business would possibly want to be associated with these idiots.

[jmra]

1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..

Or, here's an even better idea...........after your rally on public property is over, put the LG's away in your vehicle before going into a private business. If you still want to engage patrons, pass out flyers, and drum up support, switch to an empty holster. Take the ammo (pun not intended) away from Moms demand action. How silly will they look when they claim that employees at Jack in the Box were hiding in the cooler because of a bunch of empty holsters.

On a tactical note, I would wear the empty holster on my weak side to not impede my ability to access whats on the strong side.

Rational thinking. Doesn't fit these guy's MO.

[Cedar Park Dad]

The annoying thing: prior to all these antics I would have been just fine with some measure of permitted OC (as long as they weren't tied to 30.06 signs) of pistols. I'm not a personal fan in urban environments, but I was ok with the ability to do so.

These guys have made me question that.

[Bladed]

1. Notify police before protests. 2. Ask for reservations at restaurants before OCing. 3. When holding a rally or a protest have large signs describing it as a Open carry rally, so that people see the signs before they see the guns.

All good points... I like #2 the best.... by letting a restaurant know that you are bringing in a large group (i.e. MONEY + tips) hopefully they will see what revenue they could receive instead of losing..

Can't think of many restaurants that would think this is a good idea.
Sorry but keep businesses out of it. It just makes everyone look stupid and is a direct feed to the MotherJones types.

Businesses aren't discriminating. The law is what you're protesting against so protest appropriately.

I truly have never seen an organization more involved in self destructing their cause than these individuals. They are complete morons totally disconnected from reality. What business would possibly want to be associated with these idiots.

In early April, when the Texas Senate Committee on Agriculture, Rural Affairs, and Homeland Security held its hearing on "removing barriers to Second Amendment rights," all available evidence suggested that open carry advocates had finally won the mainstream acceptance they sought. In the two months since then, they've done everything possible (short of killing a bystander with a negligent discharge) to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[ShootDontTalk]

Look y'all are going to have to deal with these guys. They are not going to just shut up and go away. So if you stick your fingers in your ears and say "y'all are crazies I'm not listening" then it is only going to get worse. If you engage them, you have a chance to influence them with more caution and wisdom.

I'm not going to get involved in this anymore. Suffice to say you are 100% right. I'm not sure why no one here thinks it worth the effort to meet face-to-face with these folks or do whatever is necessary to avert the coming disaster, but I have some suspicions. I hope I'm wrong. One thing is certain. That light ahead is not the end of the tunnel. Thank you for having the courage to state the obvious.

Chili's and Sonic are just the tip of the iceberg.

[jmra]

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Look y'all are going to have to deal with these guys. They are not going to just shut up and go away. So if you stick your fingers in your ears and say "y'all are crazies I'm not listening" then it is only going to get worse. If you engage them, you have a chance to influence them with more caution and wisdom.

I'm not going to get involved in this anymore. Suffice to say you are 100% right. I'm not sure why no one here thinks it worth the effort to meet face-to-face with these folks or do whatever is necessary to avert the coming disaster, but I have some suspicions. I hope I'm wrong. One thing is certain. That light ahead is not the end of the tunnel. Thank you for having the courage to state the obvious.

Chili's and Sonic are just the tip of the iceberg.

It is my understanding that numerous attempts have been made to reach out to these people in order to resolve this situation and come to a consensus about the best approach to getting OC passed. They simply refuse to budge in their stance. They are fanatics convinced that their way is the only way and and appear to be oblivious to the damage they are causing. In fact they seem to consider the results some kind of victory. They are either delusional or they have another agenda.

[gljjt]

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Look y'all are going to have to deal with these guys. They are not going to just shut up and go away. So if you stick your fingers in your ears and say "y'all are crazies I'm not listening" then it is only going to get worse. If you engage them, you have a chance to influence them with more caution and wisdom.

I'm not going to get involved in this anymore. Suffice to say you are 100% right. I'm not sure why no one here thinks it worth the effort to meet face-to-face with these folks or do whatever is necessary to avert the coming disaster, but I have some suspicions. I hope I'm wrong. One thing is certain. That light ahead is not the end of the tunnel. Thank you for having the courage to state the obvious.

Chili's and Sonic are just the tip of the iceberg.

It is my understanding that numerous attempts have been made to reach out to these people in order to resolve this situation and come to a consensus about the best approach to getting OC passed. They simply refuse to budge in their stance. They are fanatics convinced that their way is the only way and and appear to be oblivious to the damage they are causing. In fact they seem to consider the results some kind of victory. They are either delusional or they have another agenda.

I vote delusional.

[Cedar Park Dad]

Look y'all are going to have to deal with these guys. They are not going to just shut up and go away. So if you stick your fingers in your ears and say "y'all are crazies I'm not listening" then it is only going to get worse. If you engage them, you have a chance to influence them with more caution and wisdom.

I'm not going to get involved in this anymore. Suffice to say you are 100% right. I'm not sure why no one here thinks it worth the effort to meet face-to-face with these folks or do whatever is necessary to avert the coming disaster, but I have some suspicions. I hope I'm wrong. One thing is certain. That light ahead is not the end of the tunnel. Thank you for having the courage to state the obvious.

Chili's and Sonic are just the tip of the iceberg.

Define "do whatever is necessary."

These are grandstanders out to get hits on youtube and their jollies off. Nothing you do will change that now. Well, nothing legal.