300 lb male HS student shoves 64 yo teacher to ground

[mamabearCali]

Ah yes the old socialization nut. Completely debunked and cracked but always brought up again and again. Are there shy homeschoolers...yes. Are there shy publicschoolers....yes.

Is public school and the nonsense that goes on there where we want our children to be socialized. Is there anything in life after highschool that bears even a remote resemblance to being locked in with 300-1200 of your peers your own age for 8 hours a day with no way to escape and no way to leave an abusive situation. Only prison.

I personally know somewhere between 25 and 35 homeschooling families. I have met hundred more. They are all very involved in extra curricular activities. So the myth of the homeschooled child never ever leaving home is just that, a myth.

On your daughter being "fine". I am sure my father would say the same thing about me. I was not fine though. I am naturally an extrovert, naturally outgoing, naturally friendly. The abuse that happened from grades 4-8 to me and was permitted by the teachers who turned a blind eye did appalling damage to my personality that took years of healing. It was unnecessary and unhelpful. I turned out ok because of my faith, and my parents love not because of the public schools but in spite of them.

[Charles L. Cotton]

KHOU TV (Ch. 11) in Houston reported that the thug (COPs know what I really mean) was charged with injury to an elderly person. That's TPC §22.04(a). They tried to interview the teacher, but she stood in her doorway and didn't want to talk. She didn't appear to have suffered serious bodily injury as defined in the Penal Code, so it's not a 1st degree felony. However, §22.04(f) makes it a 3rd degree felony if she suffered any bodily injury. At 16, he can easily be certified as an adult where he can spend time in TDC.

He will someday physically express his anger against the wrong person and his friends and family at his funeral will proclaim that he was simply misunderstood.

Chas.

[mojo84]

Nothing is missing. It's just the home school narrative to size any opportunity to promote what is good for some. Kind of like when some seize any gun related incidence to promote their agenda.

Pretty poor comparison to equivocate people who are champions of freedom and choice for parents in the education of their children (homeschoolers) to those who would take away your freedom and choice to own firearms.

If you don't want your kids around feral youth you have basically three options. 1. Buy a home in a higher priced neighborhood (usually the better the neighborhood the better the school). 2. Private school. 3. Homeschool.

Of course with choice 1 and sometimes choice 2 there is no guarantee that your child won't be subject to some insane administrator or teacher that chooses to make a chewed pop tart into a suspension worthy crime or a seatbelt cutter into a criminal case.

Your choice, choose the best you can for your kids.

No where did I say I am not for choice or freedom. If so, please cite my comment specifically. My comment was directed at the slam against public school and promoting the answer as home schooling. Homeschooling is a very valid and great option for some. We have about five families in our neighborhood with whom we are very close friends. They have experienced mixed results. Sometimes even in the same family with different kids.

I believe in choice and freedom. I do not believe in bashing any one of the options or eliminating any of the options. I also think it is an elitist and offensive comment to parents when one makes a comment about parents being willing to subject their kids to "feral" kids. Just like society as a whole, there are bad people everywher and we all need to learn how to deal with them.

Therefore, I stand by my comment about people that choose to seize every opportunity to promote their choice as being the right choice for everyone.

[Abraham]

It'll be interesting to see if he's actually punished for his crime.

[mojo84]

I don't see why he wouldn't be. It's quite obvious based on the videos he committed the crime. I don't even think a full investigation and copies of the official police report are needed in order to conclude he is guilty.

[mamabearCali]

No where did I say I am not for choice or freedom. If so, please cite my comment specifically. My comment was directed at the slam against public school and promoting the answer as home schooling. Homeschooling is a very valid and great option for some. We have about five families in our neighborhood with whom we are very close friends. They have experienced mixed results. Sometimes even in the same family with different kids.

I believe in choice and freedom. I do not believe in bashing any one of the options or eliminating any of the options. I also think it is an elitist and offensive comment to parents when one makes a comment about parents being willing to subject their kids to "feral" kids. Just like society as a whole, there are bad people everywher and we all need to learn how to deal with them.

Therefore, I stand by my comment about people that choose to seize every opportunity to promote their choice as being the right choice for everyone.

If a person kept being attacked and was frustrated about it.....would you not recommend them to take precautions and carry a weapon, or avoid the situation entirely. That is all homeschoolers are doing when they say "homeschool".

There are feral children in this world. Sorry you don't like the term, but I think it is accurate for unparented, violent teens. There are a higher density of them in lower income areas. If you want your child to not have to deal with them in greater numbers, you will have to buy a home in a higher priced area.

As for we all have to deal with bad people. Sure....but I have never had to deal with the caliber of people I dealt with in school after I left high school. The lowlifes did not go to college, they did not get jobs that required education. The druggies stayed home and got baked. So no, we don't all have to know how to deal with being sat 6 inches from a drug dealer and having no choice but to sit by him and try to learn algebra 2.

You promote the 2nd amendment choice to defend ourselves. I promote the homeschooling option as a way to keep our kids out of conniving teachers and feral youth. Not all teachers are conniving and not all youth are feral, but in a public school you have no choice about either. If your child is sat next to a child that is feral.....oh well. If your child has a teacher that is there to collect a paycheck and is cruel....oh well. That is why I think for most people homeschooling is so a better option. Just like I think carrying a gun give you optionss when dealing with danger.

[mojo84]

Why not just make a decision for you and your family and not try to "promote" or push your decision on others? Many home schoolers push the idea of eliminating public education because that is what works best for them. That's who my comment was referencing.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Get back on topic and home schooling isn't it.

Chas.

[jmra]

That is why I think for most people homeschooling is so a better option.

This statement is simply factually incorrect. The vast majority of children and parents would fail miserably at homeschooling. Do you really think that children who can't get help from their parents on their homework would be better off homeschooled? Not!
Homeschool may work for some but it is by no means a viable option for the general population.

[mojo84]

Get back on topic and home schooling isn't it.

Chas.

Yes sir.

[mamabearCali]

Why not just make a decision for you and your family and not try to "promote" or push your decision on others? Many home schoolers push the idea of eliminating public education because that is what works best for them. That's who my comment was referencing.

Because when something works I tell other people about it. When I see people suffering in a system that is designed to fail I try to tell them about a way out.

Alright...Mr. Cotton

[baron]

If someone takes your personal property without permission, what level of force is reasonable to recover your property?

[Charles L. Cotton]

If someone takes your personal property without permission, what level of force is reasonable to recover your property?

In the teacher/student setting at school, no level of force is reasonable or legal when the personal property in possession is prohibited by school rules. I doubt it would be legal under any circumstances since there are both administrative and civil remedies.

Chas.

[baron]

School policy probably allows them to do whatever they want in practice but is there a law that gives them that authority? Can a teacher or administrator remove a student's clothing that violates school policy, or is it only certain personal property they can remove without consent?

[Charles L. Cotton]

School policy probably allows them to do whatever they want in practice but is there a law that gives them that authority? Can a teacher or administrator remove a student's clothing that violates school policy, or is it only certain personal property they can remove without consent?

This isn't my area of expertise, so I'm not sure of the answer. I do recall from law school 100 years ago that schools and teachers have very broad authority to control their classes and that many constitutional protections do not apply in the classroom.

Your example of removing clothing is absurd.

Chas.