Well well! Some "spirited" replies! Lets dissect them, shall we?
The Young Guy first:
TheYoungGuy wrote:ELB wrote:In any case, I would avoid spending money there, and who knows, a polite complaint letter might do some good.
Why should we "avoid spending money there"? Because the management/ownership has decided to ban firearms? Uh-oh, look out! Someone is exercising their rights!
No, management/ownership did not decide to ban firearms. They decided to ban legally armed people who have not had a felony conviction, nor a couple other specified blots on their record. That does nothing to keep out people with criminal intent, not to mention firearms. Remember, the genesis of the Texas CHL law was when Suzanna Hupp (
http://www.gunownersalliance.com/hupp-10.htm) obediently left her gun in her car, and got to watch as someone who ignored the law, and no doubt any signs posted, brought in HIS gun and murdered her parents and a bunch of other people.
A decision to ban CHL people from carrying on one's property is a right, but don't try to tell me it is a well-thought out, intelligent decision. Drafthouse is just making it an unarmed victim zone (e.g. see Virginia Tech).
Patronizing such places only encourages them to continue with their delusions. Therefore, I exercise my right ("Uh-oh, look out! Someone is exercising their rights!") to not support them with my money, and I also exercise my right ("Uh-oh, look out! There he goes again!) to say this out loud and to encourage others to avoid patronizing such establishments.
Next Up: pbandjelly
pbandjelly wrote:ELB wrote:The letters must be at least one inch tall. That makes the overall size of a legally compliant sign pretty big, several times the size of an 8.5"x11" piece of paper. The sign in the picture ain't nowhere that big.
really? garsh!
how can you tell how big a sign is from that little itty bitty picture?
I don't see any dimensions given.
I see no real reference for size.
giving out blanket information like, "That's not a compliant sign" is a little irresponsible.
good luck in court with all that...
REEAALLLLY, pband. Let's check Ncongruent's original post:
NcongruNt wrote:I went to a movie at the Alamo Dafthouse Lake Creek location this past Saturday, and noticed two 30.06 notices taped to either end of the Ticket booth.
They are printed on 8.5x11 pieces of paper ... Here is a picture of one of the signs:
As Brent said in his post, "You didn't need a ruler to figure that one out."
Doublepush/Brent,
Drafthouse sound like a nice place, and I can see why you and Young Guy would want to go there. I expect I would like it better than a run-of-the-mill movie house as well. But I think my principle of not supporting anti-CHL business to the extent that I can is more important than going to a movie.
As far as your job situation goes, I sympathize. I worked for 22+ years for an outfit that, altho it had many many gun aficionados in it, was organizationally gun-phobic in that it basically banned anyone from having a small-arm of any kind with some exceptions for on duty guards, in your on-base housing, or locked in the armory if you lived in the dorms. Might seem odd to civilians, but it was called the US Air Force. Heck, at one overseas location where I was often alone or with one other guy running around the countryside, I was told I had al Quaeda for neighbors, and was given body armor and flak vests and taught new driving habits - but no arms. (But I got combat pay!) Tough call when the job you love impinges on your rights. I think it is much LESS of a tough call when it's choosing between a good time at the movie and supporting my rights.
When I run into an establishment that is not following the letter of the law, but shows obvious cluelessness with either a non-compliant sign or one of those home-brew versions, I generally go ahead and take care of whatever business I have there. But if at all possible I don't go back. Sometimes I write a letter, sometimes not. And I'm not 100% holy, occasionally because of commitments to other people or what-have-you I end up going back. However, like with the 10 commandments, I try to honor my principles as much as possible.
You wrote: "I guess I can just wait for the general attitude toward personal protection to change." Why are you "waiting?" Don't know how old you are, am guessing 20's? I am, ahem, a bit older. Believe me, the general attitude toward personal protection has changed immensely since I was in my 20s. It did not happen by people waiting. People pushed, pushed hard, and there was some blood along the way (see Suzanna Hupp).
Do what you can now. If you are not a TSRA and NRA member, join up. Some think the NRA too tame, so there are even more aggressive organizations. Don't wait. One of my ways to "not wait" is to not patronize businesses that foolishly think keeping out CHL holders is somehow makes them safer. You have to decide for yourself, just make sure you think it all the way through. Good luck.
elb
