College premises, Tennis tournament
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College premises, Tennis tournament
Howdy,
I did a quick search but didn't find what I was looking for. Girlfriend has a college tennis tournament at Rice University this Friday. I understand we're restricted on the
premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place. Normally, from what I understand, premises have been known as buildings. Since I won't be entering any buildings going from the parking lot to the tennis courts, am I in the clear to carry there or since it's an event am I prohibited?
Thanks,
Sean
I did a quick search but didn't find what I was looking for. Girlfriend has a college tennis tournament at Rice University this Friday. I understand we're restricted on the
premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place. Normally, from what I understand, premises have been known as buildings. Since I won't be entering any buildings going from the parking lot to the tennis courts, am I in the clear to carry there or since it's an event am I prohibited?
Thanks,
Sean
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Re: College premises, Tennis tournament
You are prohibited from carrying at the sporting event.
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kg5ie wrote:You are prohibited from carrying at the sporting event.

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unfortunately you're not good to carry there.... unfortunately the state of Texas trusts you to carry some places but not all. since we all know that we completely change the second we step foot in a bar or football game.... 

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It could be argued that tennis is not a sport. Just sayin.....
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Prohibited if the event is sponsored by the college. Whether its played inside a school building or in a park doesn't matter.
Not prohibited if its an organization other than a school and they're playing outside (not in a building)
IANAL. This is just my OPINION.
Not prohibited if its an organization other than a school and they're playing outside (not in a building)
IANAL. This is just my OPINION.
I am not a lawyer. This is NOT legal advice.!
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That could open a big can of worms. Many so called sports could be added to that list.anygunanywhere wrote:It could be argued that tennis is not a sport. Just sayin.....
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Re: College premises, Tennis tournament
kg5ie wrote:You are prohibited from carrying at the sporting event.
Actually, in regards to sporting events only the premises (meaning a building or portion of a building) of Professional, High School and College sporting events, as well as interscholastic events are off limits. Those are the only sporting events addressed in the law, and the term premises is used. So an outdoor tennis match is not covered as it is not on the premises.
HOWEVER, the OP is restricted under penal code 46.03 (a)(1) as the grounds where a school sponsored event is taking place.
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This was my initial instinct, I figured I would get some reassurance from others.
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I may agree with your sentiment but I've always believed that it isn't a sport unless someone is playing defense. It has started arguments with my cheerleader daughter and my wife (former cheerleader) but that's where I've made the stand in my house. So, tennis would be a sport but not golf.It could be argued that tennis is not a sport. Just sayin.....
I also sleep on the couch a lot so what do I know.
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Some people would argue that cheerleading in a sport.Jim88 wrote:I may agree with your sentiment but I've always believed that it isn't a sport unless someone is playing defense. It has started arguments with my cheerleader daughter and my wife (former cheerleader) but that's where I've made the stand in my house. So, tennis would be a sport but not golf.It could be argued that tennis is not a sport. Just sayin.....
I also sleep on the couch a lot so what do I know.

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Re: College premises, Tennis tournament
I am going to disagree with some of the previous posters, sort of. I agree with the way Redneck91 reads the law. The law says you are prohibited from carrying in the premises of a sporting event. The premises means buildings, as this is the section with the specific definition that says so.
The problem I do want to caution you that there are many who will interpret the definition of premises differently than I do. When you go to the tennis courts, most are not indoors in a building. Most are contained inside a fenced area and have bleachers along the sides for spectators. But, to maintain the comparison, I will switch over and ask if a football stadium is a building or not. It has walls but no roof (well most college level anyway) and is a field part of the building? If it only has one floor and the walls are just to help keep people paying for admission, like a fence, is it still a building?
So, I recommend not carrying at the event. This is because I also recommend not being the test case to clarify the law. And until we get some court rulings, we don't know exactly what the law will consider a building. Clarifying the law can be an expensive hobby to partake in.
The problem I do want to caution you that there are many who will interpret the definition of premises differently than I do. When you go to the tennis courts, most are not indoors in a building. Most are contained inside a fenced area and have bleachers along the sides for spectators. But, to maintain the comparison, I will switch over and ask if a football stadium is a building or not. It has walls but no roof (well most college level anyway) and is a field part of the building? If it only has one floor and the walls are just to help keep people paying for admission, like a fence, is it still a building?
So, I recommend not carrying at the event. This is because I also recommend not being the test case to clarify the law. And until we get some court rulings, we don't know exactly what the law will consider a building. Clarifying the law can be an expensive hobby to partake in.
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Whenever we go furniture shopping the first thing I do is lay on the couch to see how comfortable it is. Very important after 24 years of marriage.Jim88 wrote:I also sleep on the couch a lot so what do I know.
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srothstein wrote:I am going to disagree with some of the previous posters, sort of. I agree with the way Redneck91 reads the law. The law says you are prohibited from carrying in the premises of a sporting event. The premises means buildings, as this is the section with the specific definition that says so.
The problem I do want to caution you that there are many who will interpret the definition of premises differently than I do. When you go to the tennis courts, most are not indoors in a building. Most are contained inside a fenced area and have bleachers along the sides for spectators. But, to maintain the comparison, I will switch over and ask if a football stadium is a building or not. It has walls but no roof (well most college level anyway) and is a field part of the building? If it only has one floor and the walls are just to help keep people paying for admission, like a fence, is it still a building?
So, I recommend not carrying at the event. This is because I also recommend not being the test case to clarify the law. And until we get some court rulings, we don't know exactly what the law will consider a building. Clarifying the law can be an expensive hobby to partake in.
Unlawful to carry on the grounds of a school sponsored event.

Discussion about premises or professional, college or High School sporting events are really don't apply here. Fun to ponder, yes.
And to that, premises is defined, and not open to different defintions, right?
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Re: College premises, Tennis tournament
You are correct about the grounds of a school sponsored event. I had focused on the sporting event part and missed that section and part of the question.
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