TRAVIS COUNTY vs. SAXET GUN SHOW

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Re: TRAVIS COUNTY vs. SAXET GUN SHOW

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bayouhazard wrote:
Superman wrote: The reason is because it would make it VERY difficult for me as the business owner to identify whether someone was stealing or not. How do I know you didn't just bring in that bag of skittles and not just take it off my shelf and open it up? It's not that I would be anti-candy, but I would have a much harder time running and protecting my business. Same reasoning for the 30.06 at gun shows.
That makes a lot of sense. Except that most firearms have serial numbers but Skittles and iced tea don't. So the dealers bound book would prove what is his inventory, versus what's another dealers inventory or personal property of an attendee.
A much bigger problem with that reasoning is most shows do allow people to bring their own guns to sell or trade.

The simple truth is the 30.06 sign only applies to people with a CHL carrying a handgun. It has no bearing on the majority who haven't passed the class and background check. It's likewise meaningless to people carrying long guns.

Therefore, posting a 30.06 sign does nothing but show how the management feels about training and background checks. :evil2:
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Re: TRAVIS COUNTY vs. SAXET GUN SHOW

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bayouhazard wrote:
Superman wrote: The reason is because it would make it VERY difficult for me as the business owner to identify whether someone was stealing or not. How do I know you didn't just bring in that bag of skittles and not just take it off my shelf and open it up? It's not that I would be anti-candy, but I would have a much harder time running and protecting my business. Same reasoning for the 30.06 at gun shows.
That makes a lot of sense. Except that most firearms have serial numbers but Skittles and iced tea don't. So the dealers bound book would prove what is his inventory, versus what's another dealers inventory or personal property of an attendee.
It is not practical for vendors to be checking serial numbers on anyone they suspect of theft. It's much easier to simply have the processes in place so the vendors don't have to worry about that. Serial numbers are not really an issue.

Here's what would probably happen in the case of the theft. The thief would get caught trying to leave because their gun does not have the proper security measures (the stickers) and they can't produce a receipt. So the security calls over the police, the thief gets arrested and the security/police hold the stolen gun until the close of the business day. Once the show is closed for the day, the organizers announce for the vendors to check their records for the gun with the serial number so they can return it to the vendor (don't even really need serial numbers to do that). Crook goes to jail and the gun is returned and back on the market the next day.

Seriously, put yourself in the vendors shoes and imagine having to "prove what is his inventory, versus what's another dealers inventory or personal property of an attendee." How exactly would you do that, even with serial numbers? (rhetorical question...you wouldn't).
Heisenberg wrote:A much bigger problem with that reasoning is most shows do allow people to bring their own guns to sell or trade.

The simple truth is the 30.06 sign only applies to people with a CHL carrying a handgun. It has no bearing on the majority who haven't passed the class and background check. It's likewise meaningless to people carrying long guns.

Therefore, posting a 30.06 sign does nothing but show how the management feels about training and background checks. :evil2:
Have you ever brought your personal gun into a gun show? Have you not been to a gun show and seen the police inspecting and zip tie them open? They zip tie it open with a specific colored zip tie. That color is so they know which guns are personal and not from a vendor (which are zip tied with another color). Another thing they do is vendors put a certain colored sticker on the box of guns that were purchased so that security knows that you did not get behind a counter and simply pick up a gun and try to walk out. That process protects the vendors from theft, while also allowing personal transactions to take place inside the show. I don't see where the "bigger problem" is...

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Re: TRAVIS COUNTY vs. SAXET GUN SHOW

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Apparently Travis county is trying to force Saxon to require background checks on all private party purchases that occur on the property. It sounds like Saxon won't be coming back.
Travis County is paid $100k per gun show for rental of that facility.
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cb1000rider wrote:Apparently Travis county is trying to force Saxon to require background checks on all private party purchases that occur on the property. It sounds like Saxon won't be coming back.
Travis County is paid $100k per gun show for rental of that facility.
The county is trying to make the gun show owners enforce a law that doesn’t exist. The gun show owners don’t have the authority to do this.This is all smoke and mirrors anyway. The county got what they wanted. No gun show.

It is the same old thing. If you can’t make it illegal, regulate it to death. If you can’t regulate it to death, tax it to death.
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VoiceofReason wrote:
cb1000rider wrote:Apparently Travis county is trying to force Saxon to require background checks on all private party purchases that occur on the property. It sounds like Saxon won't be coming back.
Travis County is paid $100k per gun show for rental of that facility.
The county is trying to make the gun show owners enforce a law that doesn’t exist. The gun show owners don’t have the authority to do this.This is all smoke and mirrors anyway. The county got what they wanted. No gun show.

It is the same old thing. If you can’t make it illegal, regulate it to death. If you can’t regulate it to death, tax it to death.
Again it sounds like a win win to me. Austin gets what it wants - less money. Cedar Park and other nearby towns get what they want-more money. :woohoo

Alternatively Saxet could always hold this at a private locale. I'm generally against government businesses of any form.

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Although I dont agree with it - they're trying to solve the problem of gun sales this close to the border. Austin does have a gang presence. With the fast and furious mess up, I'm sure there is political pressure there...

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I see. So instead of going after the gangs and illegal immigrants, they are harassing law abiding citizens. It sounds like a game plane straight out of California.

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bbobb wrote: It sounds like a game plane straight out of California.
Well you're talking about Austin, so you're pretty much just repeating yourself. :biggrinjester:

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bbobb wrote:I see. So instead of going after the gangs and illegal immigrants, they are harassing law abiding citizens. It sounds like a game plane straight out of California.
They're going after gangs. There is a gang task force. You can't arrest people just on gang affiliation alone.

On illegal immigration, they're definitely not enforcing. On that, I believe that the root cause is because powerful industries need that work force and those forces feed politicians who make laws. IMHO, the biggest impact we could have on illegal immigration is by enforcing against those people that hire illegals... Which, face it, happens in plain view every day in every city in Texas. I also believe that if we could round them all up overnight, we might be surprised at the consequences in our daily lives...
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cb1000rider wrote:the problem of gun sales this close to the border
Austin is more than 200 miles from the Mexican border. That's further from the border than Phoenix AZ, Roswell NM, or Malibu Beach in California. Not to mention San Antonio, which is on the way to Mexico from Austin.

Maybe the Mexican government should build a wall if they don't want guns smuggled into their country. "rlol"
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According to Fox News the Austin American-Statesman has reported that Travis County commissioners have decided not to renew the lease for the Saxet Gun Show and that County commissioner Biscoe expects lawsuits over the issue.
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G.A. Heath wrote:According to Fox News the Austin American-Statesman has reported that Travis County commissioners have decided not to renew the lease for the Saxet Gun Show and that County commissioner Biscoe expects lawsuits over the issue.
Did they give a reasoning?
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According to the article, which I thought I posted, it was over saxet refusing to require background check on private sales.

Since I somehow managed to post the article before here it is:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/01/13/te ... latestnews" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: TRAVIS COUNTY vs. SAXET GUN SHOW

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Sounds to me like Travis county is risking more than $100k/show income by inviting a lawsuit.
Course, it depends on if other municipalities have been allowed to make up their own rules...

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cb1000rider wrote:Sounds to me like Travis county is risking more than $100k/show income by inviting a lawsuit.
Course, it depends on if other municipalities have been allowed to make up their own rules...
Travis County has never been a place to let common sense get in the way of ideology.
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