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longhorn_92 wrote:After 4 months... Mine is finally coming home... Day after Christmas.
The last update says mine will be delivered by 1/31.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:
longhorn_92 wrote:After 4 months... Mine is finally coming home... Day after Christmas.
The last update says mine will be delivered by 1/31.
Haven't sent mine in yet. Will do so after the holidays. Working on getting something small to carry while it's gone.
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I am debating on buying a friend's 9mm XDS this week...if I do, you are welcome to hold it while yours is gone. It hasn't had the recall performed yet but it can wait until yours gets back. You are just down the road from me looks like. I have my XDS .45 back already.
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RogueUSMC wrote:I am debating on buying a friend's 9mm XDS this week...if I do, you are welcome to hold it while yours is gone. It hasn't had the recall performed yet but it can wait until yours gets back. You are just down the road from me looks like. I have my XDS .45 back already.
Wow, I don't know what to say. Thanks. It looks like I may be picking up a G19 in a trade Thursday (for a rifle that was living in the back of the safe). A lot bigger than the XDs but it will work.
If you do get it, I would love to hear your take on the difference between the two especially related to recoil and follow up shots. I have toyed with the idea of trading my .45 for a 9mm if there is a significant difference in follow up shot placement.
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I was doing a little googling and realized that there have been more than a few claims of Glocks "going full auto". But yet Glock didn't recall an entire line to address the issue.
I have only seen a couple of claims of this happening with the XDs yet Springfield recalls the entire line. Really sounds like an overreaction to me.
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jmra wrote:
RogueUSMC wrote:I am debating on buying a friend's 9mm XDS this week...if I do, you are welcome to hold it while yours is gone. It hasn't had the recall performed yet but it can wait until yours gets back. You are just down the road from me looks like. I have my XDS .45 back already.
Wow, I don't know what to say. Thanks. It looks like I may be picking up a G19 in a trade Thursday (for a rifle that was living in the back of the safe). A lot bigger than the XDs but it will work.
If you do get it, I would love to hear your take on the difference between the two especially related to recoil and follow up shots. I have toyed with the idea of trading my .45 for a 9mm if there is a significant difference in follow up shot placement.
Again, thank you for the offer and Merry Christmas.
Would be nice to see how many members are close and get together for coffee one Saturday.
I can tell you that the 9mm XDS weighs more than the .45. The reason is the difference in the weights of two barrels of equal OD, but one with a 9mm bore and the other with a .45 bore.
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The Annoyed Man wrote:
jmra wrote:
RogueUSMC wrote:I am debating on buying a friend's 9mm XDS this week...if I do, you are welcome to hold it while yours is gone. It hasn't had the recall performed yet but it can wait until yours gets back. You are just down the road from me looks like. I have my XDS .45 back already.
Wow, I don't know what to say. Thanks. It looks like I may be picking up a G19 in a trade Thursday (for a rifle that was living in the back of the safe). A lot bigger than the XDs but it will work.
If you do get it, I would love to hear your take on the difference between the two especially related to recoil and follow up shots. I have toyed with the idea of trading my .45 for a 9mm if there is a significant difference in follow up shot placement.
Again, thank you for the offer and Merry Christmas.
Would be nice to see how many members are close and get together for coffee one Saturday.
I can tell you that the 9mm XDS weighs more than the .45. The reason is the difference in the weights of two barrels of equal OD, but one with a 9mm bore and the other with a .45 bore.
It might be more than just the barrel dimensions. The .45 ACP operates at a chamber pressure rating of 21,000 psi compared to 35,000 psi for the 9mm. Some of the other components may have been "beefed up" to accommodate the increased pressure.
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A heavier feel wouldn't bother me. Shouldn't a little more weight and the lighter load of the 9mm considerably reduce felt recoil?
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jmra wrote:I was doing a little googling and realized that there have been more than a few claims of Glocks "going full auto". But yet Glock didn't recall an entire line to address the issue.
I have only seen a couple of claims of this happening with the XDs yet Springfield recalls the entire line. Really sounds like an overreaction to me.
It wouldn't be an overreaction if you couldn't isolate it to a part of a specific production run. If it occurred due to cumulative "stacking" of manufacturing tolerances so that when the wrong combination of parts came together, the issue appeared, it would be impossible to determine which guns would be affected. In that case, you have two choices: recall them all, or wait and see what problems are reported. Option 2 carried a very high likelihood of injury or death for which the company would have had substantial liability, and which would have carried far more negative press and customer rejection than a recall.

I think they did the responsible thing, even though it cost them millions, and I think they deserve a lot of credit for doing it.
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I took my xds9 to the range this week and specifically tried to get it to slam fire. Put the gun into battery several times without the grip safety engaged with no problems. I tried it with two different magazines and with a varying number of bullets in each one. Never could accomplish a discharge. I tried it while using the slide lock and a manual pull and release. I'm still not convinced that I need to send mine in and risk getting a crummy trigger. I absolutely love this gun (trigger) the way it is right now. The recoil is amazingly unnoticable and it fits my hand like a glove!

Is there anything I'm missing as to why I should send this gun in?
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Blindref757 wrote:I took my xds9 to the range this week and specifically tried to get it to slam fire. Put the gun into battery several times without the grip safety engaged with no problems. I tried it with two different magazines and with a varying number of bullets in each one. Never could accomplish a discharge. I tried it while using the slide lock and a manual pull and release. I'm still not convinced that I need to send mine in and risk getting a crummy trigger. I absolutely love this gun (trigger) the way it is right now. The recoil is amazingly unnoticable and it fits my hand like a glove!

Is there anything I'm missing as to why I should send this gun in?
Springfield probably has more information and data then you. In technical terms, they have a larger sample size.
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Blindref757 wrote:I took my xds9 to the range this week and specifically tried to get it to slam fire. Put the gun into battery several times without the grip safety engaged with no problems. I tried it with two different magazines and with a varying number of bullets in each one. Never could accomplish a discharge. I tried it while using the slide lock and a manual pull and release. I'm still not convinced that I need to send mine in and risk getting a crummy trigger. I absolutely love this gun (trigger) the way it is right now. The recoil is amazingly unnoticable and it fits my hand like a glove!

Is there anything I'm missing as to why I should send this gun in?
Three things I can think off right off the bat:

1. You still don't know if your gun is dangerous. Even the pistols that experienced issues didn't exhibit them all the time.

2. Your own liability exposure (moral and legal) should one of the known issues happen with the pistol you chose not to send back and carried despite being aware of the potential danger.

3. The value of your gun. Unrepaired guns are undesirable in the marketplace and will not bring the same price as an upgraded one should you ever decide to sell it.

I strongly recommend you send it in. It's free, it'll be back before you know it, and you'll have a known safe gun you can carry with confidence and it will carry maximum value.
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jmra wrote:A heavier feel wouldn't bother me. Shouldn't a little more weight and the lighter load of the 9mm considerably reduce felt recoil?
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Blindref757 wrote:I took my xds9 to the range this week and specifically tried to get it to slam fire. Put the gun into battery several times without the grip safety engaged with no problems. I tried it with two different magazines and with a varying number of bullets in each one. Never could accomplish a discharge. I tried it while using the slide lock and a manual pull and release. I'm still not convinced that I need to send mine in and risk getting a crummy trigger. I absolutely love this gun (trigger) the way it is right now. The recoil is amazingly unnoticable and it fits my hand like a glove!

Is there anything I'm missing as to why I should send this gun in?
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Got mine back and the trigger was just ruined.

spongy, 8lbs, and didn't break until it almost touched the back of the trigger guard

Rather than try to send it back to SA, I sold it. :grumble
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