Six UH Students Robbed in Dormitory

[03Lightningrocks]

I kept a pistol the entire time I stayed in a dorm, on campus, in Austin, but I never shot anyone.

Prior to CHL laws.

And I missed all that debauchery.

You must have been an engineering, math, or science major then. My LA major son at UT saw plenty of it.

My son sent me vids of vomit on the elevators. Girls so drunk they did not know there own names. Boys getting in fights over anything and everything. The noise level went on at all hours of day and night. I took some convincing to believe it myself. I went down there personally and saw it for myself. I have a cousin with five engineering degrees whom is tenured on the staff at UT Austin. He confirmed it for me and said the university is not of the opinion they are suppose to act as the students mommy and daddy so there is not much they can do about it.

[03Lightningrocks]

I will bring up one more interesting factoid. Most of the students living in the dorms are fresh out of high school and the vast majority are under 21. It usually does not take long for a student who is at college for an education to figure a way out of the dorms. Alcohol and CHL are not legal for under 21's. Most of us are well aware how easy it is to get booze no matter how old you are and drugs of all kinds are even easier to acquire. I am definitely pro campus carry for anyone with a CHL. But I really have to question the wisdom of allowing firearms for students in the dorms. The rooms are at least two per room. You don't typically get to pick your roommate. There is virtually no way in the world for a legal carrier to secure his weapon from a drunken, fresh out of high school, roommate. A lock box is so easily violated it is almost a joke. I suppose the real question that has to be asked about students having guns in dorms is this. Would you think it is a good idea to arm the students at the senior prom and the after party? If talking college dorms, we are typically talking of young students who are a few months out of high school. They don't suddenly become mature adults over the three months before shipping off to freedom.

I wish it were still the good ole days but it is not. Maybe it never was. My generation did things that made my moms generation want to give up and die. My moms preacher dad thought coke a cola was a sin and would have beat my mom with a leather strap if she even acted like she wanted to go to a movie. As they got older he eased up and allowed root beer...LOL. So here we are. Two thousand fourteen is on the horizon. Kids believe things are OK sexually that would disgust most of us in our fifties. Our little girls heroes are prancing around on stage wearing next to nothing, doing dance routines that mimic sex acts. Being told you act like you watched the Brady Bunch is now an insult and unfortunately, the vast majority of kids who go off to college are more interested in partying than studying. Many get over it and many are never part of it. But there it is... a reality of college life.

Times change. I live in a house in Plano that sits on land my brother and I use to shoot at rabbits with 22's and shot guns. They developed the land and all the land. There are now hundreds of houses sitting right next to each other. Based on this I will make the following statement as a comparison to a bad argument I see way to often. I have shot many a rabbit and squirrel not fifty feet from where my house now sits. I never once shot anyone. We should allow hunting in my neighborhood.

[03Lightningrocks]

Physics, 1976, Simkins Hall.

When you speak of debauchery, I am not including fireworks in the halls at midnight, water balloons, streaking, etc.

I saw much more debauchery while night manager at the Stop and Go south of the river.

Yeah... don't look now, but things have changed. You would probably not like what you see if you made a pop in on your old dorm.

Oh... I laid out just a few examples of what I meant by debauchery. I was not speaking of innocent pranks.

I edited to ad this. My apologies for the immediate response of "not buying it". I left the comment to avoid confusion. I made a stupid assumption that you meant recently and now see you were speaking of 1976. I 100% believe and respect what you say it was in 1976.

[03Lightningrocks]

....Snipped in Honor of Abraham .....(maybe we could start calling a snip an Abraham) ....

That and I wonder how many would actually carry? Colleges seem to be filled with liberals that don't like guns.

Funny thing... many get there as conservatives and the professors "liberalize" them while trying to make them feel guilty they can afford college. They get strong doses of what is "fair". It is a real live LaLa land.

[VMI77]

I kept a pistol the entire time I stayed in a dorm, on campus, in Austin, but I never shot anyone.

Prior to CHL laws.

And I missed all that debauchery.

You must have been an engineering, math, or science major then. My LA major son at UT saw plenty of it.

My son sent me vids of vomit on the elevators. Girls so drunk they did not know there own names. Boys getting in fights over anything and everything. The noise level went on at all hours of day and night. I took some convincing to believe it myself. I went down there personally and saw it for myself. I have a cousin with five engineering degrees whom is tenured on the staff at UT Austin. He confirmed it for me and said the university is not of the opinion they are suppose to act as the students mommy and daddy so there is not much they can do about it.

What you're describing is EXACTLY what my son described --especially about the girls. And it's not just in the dorms...he lived in the dorm and in an off campus apartment.

[VMI77]

....Snipped in Honor of Abraham .....(maybe we could start calling a snip an Abraham) ....

That and I wonder how many would actually carry? Colleges seem to be filled with liberals that don't like guns.

Funny thing... many get there as conservatives and the professors "liberalize" them while trying to make them feel guilty they can afford college. They get strong doses of what is "fair". It is a real live LaLa land.

You think the debauchery is bad....you should have heard some of the classroom insanity my son had to put up with in some of his liberal art's classes. I'm not talking about disruptive students but insane professors spouting the most ludicrous, nutty, hateful, and intolerant bigotry ---and all from the usual suspects, the "liberal" and "tolerant" left.

[03Lightningrocks]

....Snipped in Honor of Abraham .....(maybe we could start calling a snip an Abraham) ....

That and I wonder how many would actually carry? Colleges seem to be filled with liberals that don't like guns.

Funny thing... many get there as conservatives and the professors "liberalize" them while trying to make them feel guilty they can afford college. They get strong doses of what is "fair". It is a real live LaLa land.

You think the debauchery is bad....you should have heard some of the classroom insanity my son had to put up with in some of his liberal art's classes. I'm not talking about disruptive students but insane professors spouting the most ludicrous, nutty, hateful, and intolerant bigotry ---and all from the usual suspects, the "liberal" and "tolerant" left.

Same stories here. To make it worse, if a student dared fight back with rational thought, the professors have the power to make sure your grades suffer. I have made the comment more than once that they took my conservative money and paid it to socialist leaning professors who then tried to brainwash my son. Take heart though. No matter what kind of stupidity they try to ram down our young peoples throats, once our kids get out in the real world again and start working for a living, the training we brought them up on will kick back in. My son and daughter both, grew up shooting, hunting, fishing, camping and helping their pop at the loading bench. My daughter was cleaning squirrels and rabbits at 5 years old. All the liberal crappola in the world cannot defeat years of us bringing them up right.

Sorry... I will hop down now.

[Cedar Park Dad]

The students ask for it many times. They invite drug dealers and others who should not be there into the dorms to party with them. They get drunk and wonder around the outside edges of the campus. That campus sits dead in the middle of one of the worse areas of Houston.

My son went to the U of H School of law. He lived in an off campus apartment and had already experienced four years of college at UT Austin so he was already over being mesmerized by new found freedom from parents. Unfortunately, many are not and they are usually the ones who ignorantly let partying get them into trouble.

A few years back, they discovered a couple reports were falsely made by students who had blown all their money and needed a story for mommy and daddy.

So who knows... But carrying on campus will never stop students from asking drug dealers to deliver in the dorms.

What year? So did I as well as the MBA program. Most of my classes were at night as I was working. The amount of students who carried at night when I went was...a lot.
Of course these were older working folks, not the undergrad crowd. But be there a semester and get the read of the amount of parking lot robberies et al and yea alot of the night students carried, legal or illegal they didn't care.

Sad that it seems conditions have not gotten better.

[Cedar Park Dad]

I may be about to get flamed here but I am wondering how many posting on this forum are aware of the level of debauchery happening in the dorms on campus? Don't expect your kids to tell you unless it is in conjunction with a "remember when" story or a bid to get you to allow them an off campus apartment. The thought of drunken college students rolling up and down the halls with a handgun is more than a little bothersome. They get in fights. They puke all over each other. They smoke dope. Yeah... it is a real blast. If anyone here thinks they are all sitting around listening to soft rock and studying in the light of their personal lamps you are wrong.

Campus carry is one thing but allowing people who live in the dorms, where there are no red 51% signs but should be is very likely to end up bad.

As my boy is in an Aggie offsite dorm..you're scaring me (and making me jealous )
It doesn't help that when we moved him in, four gals who were most easy on the eyes came up and introduced themselves to him.
I've been told there are still gals that are pursuing MRS degrees there and he's a high end Comp Sci/Math/Physics student...

[Cedar Park Dad]

....Snipped in Honor of Abraham .....(maybe we could start calling a snip an Abraham) ....

That and I wonder how many would actually carry? Colleges seem to be filled with liberals that don't like guns.

Funny thing... many get there as conservatives and the professors "liberalize" them while trying to make them feel guilty they can afford college. They get strong doses of what is "fair". It is a real live LaLa land.

You think the debauchery is bad....you should have heard some of the classroom insanity my son had to put up with in some of his liberal art's classes. I'm not talking about disruptive students but insane professors spouting the most ludicrous, nutty, hateful, and intolerant bigotry ---and all from the usual suspects, the "liberal" and "tolerant" left.

Same stories here. To make it worse, if a student dared fight back with rational thought, the professors have the power to make sure your grades suffer. I have made the comment more than once that they took my conservative money and paid it to socialist leaning professors who then tried to brainwash my son. Take heart though. No matter what kind of stupidity they try to ram down our young peoples throats, once our kids get out in the real world again and start working for a living, the training we brought them up on will kick back in. My son and daughter both, grew up shooting, hunting, fishing, camping and helping their pop at the loading bench. My daughter was cleaning squirrels and rabbits at 5 years old. All the liberal crappola in the world cannot defeat years of us bringing them up right.

Sorry... I will hop down now.

Ours placed out of most of his "artsy" classes with AP stuff, but I advised if he ran into such (as I did ) just to parrot their nonsense on the tests and he would get an easy A.

[03Lightningrocks]

I am guessing, but I am going to say he was at U of H maybe two years ago. I am thinking it was his first year there when the robberies occurred. LOL... well... the faux robberies. It worried the bejeebers out of me. There are some real ones but even campus security will tell you it typically happens to drunk students stumbling around in places they shouldn't be late at night. You can bet the neighborhood around that place knows the students are prime targets. IMHO, It has very little to do with knowing or not knowing they are armed. You see a drunk stumbling around with pee stains on his pants, you couldn't care less about whether or not the drunk is armed. You might even hope he is armed so you can score a good handgun while you roll him. IMHO, it is giving a crack head way to much credit to assume he knows the laws on where a gun is allowed.

As for inside the dorms. There are only two ways to get into the dorms. A security badge or if you are allowed to walk in by a student with a badge. If I were security, I would monitor a few cameras and find which moron allowed the robber into the dorm. I bet it was like someone posted earlier... tailgating, but there is a high possibility the BG was allowed in for other reasons.

[03Lightningrocks]

As my boy is in an Aggie offsite dorm..you're scaring me (and making me jealous )
It doesn't help that when we moved him in, four gals who were most easy on the eyes came up and introduced themselves to him.
I've been told there are still gals that are pursuing MRS degrees there and he's a high end Comp Sci/Math/Physics student...

College students have acted nutty as long as college has existed. It is just just different definitions of what is nutty. Our president, George Bush, was known to be wild and our current imitation president did coke and lord knows what else. I don't think it means they earn being rolled but it explains how they can be an easy target. I am still for campus carry but question the safety of allowing guns in dorms and frat houses where the drinking and partying is affecting the judgement of so many high school aged college students.

Maybe the age thing makes it a non issue. They have to be 21 to get a CHL anyway and by that age most have left the dorms and hopefully matured a little bit.

[VMI77]

I may be about to get flamed here but I am wondering how many posting on this forum are aware of the level of debauchery happening in the dorms on campus? Don't expect your kids to tell you unless it is in conjunction with a "remember when" story or a bid to get you to allow them an off campus apartment. The thought of drunken college students rolling up and down the halls with a handgun is more than a little bothersome. They get in fights. They puke all over each other. They smoke dope. Yeah... it is a real blast. If anyone here thinks they are all sitting around listening to soft rock and studying in the light of their personal lamps you are wrong.

Campus carry is one thing but allowing people who live in the dorms, where there are no red 51% signs but should be is very likely to end up bad.

As my boy is in an Aggie offsite dorm..you're scaring me (and making me jealous )
It doesn't help that when we moved him in, four gals who were most easy on the eyes came up and introduced themselves to him.
I've been told there are still gals that are pursuing MRS degrees there and he's a high end Comp Sci/Math/Physics student...

I had a son at A&M too and the debauchery was about the same.

[VMI77]

....Snipped in Honor of Abraham .....(maybe we could start calling a snip an Abraham) ....

That and I wonder how many would actually carry? Colleges seem to be filled with liberals that don't like guns.

Funny thing... many get there as conservatives and the professors "liberalize" them while trying to make them feel guilty they can afford college. They get strong doses of what is "fair". It is a real live LaLa land.

You think the debauchery is bad....you should have heard some of the classroom insanity my son had to put up with in some of his liberal art's classes. I'm not talking about disruptive students but insane professors spouting the most ludicrous, nutty, hateful, and intolerant bigotry ---and all from the usual suspects, the "liberal" and "tolerant" left.

Same stories here. To make it worse, if a student dared fight back with rational thought, the professors have the power to make sure your grades suffer. I have made the comment more than once that they took my conservative money and paid it to socialist leaning professors who then tried to brainwash my son. Take heart though. No matter what kind of stupidity they try to ram down our young peoples throats, once our kids get out in the real world again and start working for a living, the training we brought them up on will kick back in. My son and daughter both, grew up shooting, hunting, fishing, camping and helping their pop at the loading bench. My daughter was cleaning squirrels and rabbits at 5 years old. All the liberal crappola in the world cannot defeat years of us bringing them up right.

Sorry... I will hop down now.

Fortunately, he's not the type to be brainwashed. He's also an excellent writer and more than capable of telling those nutty professors exactly what they wanted to hear while not believing a bit of it --allowing him to graduate in four years and get both a BA and a BofS degree with a 4.0 gpa.