Being stopped by LEO

[captainkbt]

Just because there isn't a penalty doesn't mean the law doesn't require it.

Understood. But, IMO, the law needs a clarification.

[mojo84]

captain, here is your comment in response to someone that said they showed their chl along with their ID.

You don't have to show CHL. The LEO should already know you have CHL. Only if he asks for it specifically.....for which he should have some valid reason.

I think this is bad advice and hope you don't teach the same to your students.

[captainkbt]

captain, here is your comment in response to someone that said they showed their chl along with their ID.

You don't have to show CHL. The LEO should already know you have CHL. Only if he asks for it specifically.....for which he should have some valid reason.

I think this is bad advice and hope you don't teach the same to your students.

Obviously, you are either not reading my posts or cant comprehend them. Because if you had read ALL of them you would know that that comment wasn't meant as "advice" but exactly what the law means realistically and how it can applied realistically or better put.....not applied realistically in this case. You would also know what I teach and recommend to my students or prospective students since I specifically mentioned what I teach as it applies to LEO traffic stops. If you don't or cant read my posts thoroughly to understand what I am saying or have said and simply want to assume, argue, and make personal judgments, please do not respond. I don't come here for that. I come here to civilly discuss Texas CHL laws and sometimes the controversial or vague ones as well. Thank you.....have a nice day.

[Keith B]

Keith, Do they have to ask specifically for the CHL?

No. Per the law, as a CHL you are to present it if carrying. But because the law has no penalty any longer, it is legally not a problem if you don't. And i know what the instructor stated, and I don't disagree that it really shouldn't be a requirement because of MPA. However, there are several officers that I know of that still are under the guidelines that you must show it if you are a CHL and carrying when asked for ID of any sort. SO, best to just present it if carrying (I recommend even when not) and hope to get the law removed totally next legislative session.

[mojo84]

Sorry, I just went by what you typed. Next time I'll just listen to what you are thinking instead. I tried to be as civil and diplomatic as possible. The way you said it came across as advice and in my opinion it is bad advice.

It is still my opinion a person is required, by law, to give the officer his chl when he is carrying and the officer asks for IDI also do not believe the officer has to specifically ask for the chl.

I also think having the chl establishes a higher standard for the chl holder than it does for the person that is just carrying in their car under MPA. I don't agree with it, but I believe that is the way the law is written. I also don't want to be the one that has to pay to clear it up.

Why is it people cannot disagree without someone getting their feeling hurt or offended. I'm going to ignore your personal attacks regarding my reading or comprehension skills. Not going to go there.

[mojo84]

Keith, I too hope it gets cleared up legislatively.

[Keith B]

I also think having the chl establishes a higher standard for the chl holder than it does for the person that is just carrying in their car under MPA. I don't agree with it, but I believe that is the way the law is written. I also don't want to be the one that has to pay to clear it up.

It really wasn't written to hold a CHL to a higher standard. It was written pre-MPA. When MPA went into affect the CHL rule was still there and a person carrying under MPA was not required to inform, but a CHL still had to per the law. The law was changed in 2011 to remove the penalty for not showing when asked for ID, but the law is still in the books.

As I stated before. it gets to the point of which trumps which (MPA vs. CHL) and how you have to respond. Bottom line, because the conflict exists you will get different answers from different experts. Best remove the requirement to show and clear it up.

And, you both need to calm down and quit the attacks or I will lock the topic.

[mojo84]

I realize one was written before the other. I also don't think it was intended to create a higher standard.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. What has changed since this post?

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Keith B
Actually they are not. If you have a CHL and a gun on or about your person, then you are considered carrying and are required to present your CHL when asked for ID.

[mojo84]

I have attacked anyone. I simply responded!