CHL Concern

[Bakeek]

I happen to know someone that has their CHL, but I also know that they are not a stable person and I do not know one person that knows him which would disagree. As much as I support the carry of lawful citizens, which he has no criminal record, I am genuinely concerned for the general public. Recently, he has suffered a loss of a family member, so his instability is off the charts.

Is there anything that can be done...even if only temporarily?

[tommyg]

If you take or try to take a CHL away from a holder just because
you think a person should not have a CHL then you are helping the gun grabbers.

If gun grabbers get away with taking up CHL on suspicion that someone is psychological
unstable then all the grabbers have to do is take a list of gun rights advocates ( like the NRA membership roster)
and say they are unstable then take their guns.

Preserving our rights are the # 1 concern.

Give up freedom for a little security will leave you with the loss of both

Be aware and take precautions

[esxmarkc]

The fact that he/she has a CHL is irrelevant. Criminals carry firearms all day long without them. If this person was planning to commit a crime using a firearm then taking away his CHL wouldn't stop him.

I'm not sure what you think needs to be done. Take away his CHL? Meaningless. Take away his guns? Illegal and he could just by another.

Try to find a way to connect him with the proper help. This is a tough one for sure.

[Bakeek]

If you take or try to take a CHL away from a holder just because
you think a person should not have a CHL then you are helping the gun grabbers.

If gun grabbers get away with taking up CHL on suspicion that someone is psychological
unstable then all the grabbers have to do is take a list of gun rights advocates ( like the NRA membership roster)
and say they are unstable then take their guns.

Preserving our rights are the # 1 concern.

Give up freedom for a little security will leave you with the loss of both

Be aware and take precautions

I understand your point, but this person is also unfortunately family. We know what we know and it makes us uncomfortable, especially because it is him. We have more than "suspicion", we have 22 years of first hand knowledge.

Also, if we as responsible holders do not protect the greater good by exposing those who may cause a threat, wouldn't we be giving gun grabbers a reason to grab guns...we won't turn in our own kind just cause they "might be a little off"?

[treeman]

I agree, the CHL doesn't matter. Don't know how much of a friend he is, but could you possibly get somoeone with some counseling training to talk with him. If he recently lost someone - possibly a pastor might be a start. They might pick up on something and know where to take it.

[Bakeek]

The fact that he/she has a CHL is irrelevant. Criminals carry firearms all day long without them. If this person was planning to commit a crime using a firearm then taking away his CHL wouldn't stop him.

I'm not sure what you think needs to be done. Take away his CHL? Meaningless. Take away his guns? Illegal and he could just by another.

Try to find a way to connect him with the proper help. This is a tough one for sure.

Unfortunately, he is completely irrational...connecting with him is not an option.

The ability for him to legally carry a firearm and be put into a situation where, in his mind, he would be justified to use it is what concerns us. He has attacked family members, including myself, and completely lacks a filter.

I really wouldn't stir up a pot like this if I wasn't legitimately concerned.

[carlson1]

. . .He has attacked family members, including myself, and completely lacks a filter.
I really wouldn't stir up a pot like this if I wasn't legitimately concerned.

Attacking you is against the law. Did you call the police? This would have/should have been the perfect time to intervene. If not then I guess you will have a wait and see circumstance.

I would avoid him and keep my family away from him.

[longtooth]

[Bakeek]

. . .He has attacked family members, including myself, and completely lacks a filter.
I really wouldn't stir up a pot like this if I wasn't legitimately concerned.

Attacking you is against the law. Did you call the police? This would have/should have been the perfect time to intervene. If not then I guess you will have a wait and see circumstance.

I would avoid him and keep my family away from him.

That time, we left the police out of it...I was adequately able to defend myself without any significant physical injury to either of us.

Unfortunately, I wont be able to keep my family away from him for the time being...funeral stuff.

[nyj]

What makes him not stable? What if he just really dislikes you/the people you see him act out around? Do you know that he acts whatever way outside of being around you?

[jmra]

The CHL is not relevant. He is either a danger to himself and others or he isn't. If he is, then you should take the same action you would if he didn't have a CHL. If you believe he is in fact a danger to himself or others, notify the proper authorities. If after they investigate they feel there is a need for an evaluation then the rest will take care of itself.

Simply put, if your focus is on the CHL, then you are focusing on the wrong thing. The CHL is not the issue and having it taken away does not resolve anything.

[MotherBear]

[infoman]

This is very easy- if he does anything illegal- threatens someone's life, assault, disordly conduct, anything.. you get law enforcement involved. His license can then be suspended/revoked. You can't get a person's license taken away on heresay. If that were the case, half of the current CHL holders would be in trouble. Every ex wife, ex GF/BF, angry neighbor, etc would call DPS & claim things. Take the step & have him arrested next time he does anything bad.

[Texsquatch]

I agree focusing on the CHL & guns is wrong. If this guy is a danger to himself or others, what about the gasoline, car, knives, rat poison, rope, bug spray, matches, or whatever else an mentally disturbed person could use to do some damage.

Focus on the bigger picture and get this guy some professional help (medical, mental, police) before something really bad happens. The root cause of most of these mass shooting has been some mental health issue, and everyone either ignored the signs, or failed to notice them in time.

[tommyg]

I worked in a reform school for over 5 years. We took the worst delinquents ( violent cases)from three states
The residents had very little access to anything that they could do harm with and they
still managed to produce weapons out of common items. The bottom line is that anything
can be weaponized. Most people don't realize that improvised weapons are often more
deadly than hand guns. Also improvised weapons may appear to be harmless this results in a
lack of intimidation value making it more likely that the weapon won't be backed down to
and this makes it more likely the weapon will be used.

I also transported adult inmates from a state
prison on work release. Both the reform school
and the prison were real eye openers and
I received a real education from these expierences

If you stir this person up by taking a CHL you risk making him/her more dangerous

When you have a snake in your pocket pull it out easy if you take rash action you are more likely to get bitten.

It is unfortunate that I have to come across like this but this is how it is in real life