WSJ article about parking lot laws

[A-R]

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424 ... y&mod=e2tw" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[VMI77]

A somewhat subtle hit piece on parking lot laws that pretends to be balanced. How much of an idiot does someone have to be the think that someone who is going to shoot up his place of employment is going to change his mind because he's not supposed to have a gun in the parking lot? It's particularly idiotic, since if prohibiting guns in the parking lot had any effect, then just prohibiting them in building would ensure everyone was safe as long as they didn't venture out into the parking lot, where the killer would be waiting, afraid to break the law and enter the building with a gun.

[Jaguar]

I quit reading after

"Much like a private homeowner is able to tell his guests whether they can bring a gun into his yard, FedEx should have the right to decide what it will and will not allow on its private property," Mark Hogan, vice president of U.S. security for FedEx Express told Tennessee lawmakers last year.

I can tell someone not to carry a pistol in my yard (unless it's the police), but I can't tell my guests they cannot keep a pistol in their car in my driveway or the side of the road by my house.

[A-R]

I quit reading after

"Much like a private homeowner is able to tell his guests whether they can bring a gun into his yard, FedEx should have the right to decide what it will and will not allow on its private property," Mark Hogan, vice president of U.S. security for FedEx Express told Tennessee lawmakers last year.

I can tell someone not to carry a pistol in my yard (unless it's the police), but I can't tell my guests they cannot keep a pistol in their car in my driveway or the side of the road by my house.

You can also tell a woman, a black man, a homosexual, and a priest to "get off my lawn". A business cannot. All those types of people are "protected class". Why are people enjoying their civil rights under 2A not also protected?

[Middle Age Russ]

FedEx simply has a sour grape reaction to sovereign states making rules under which it has to operate -- when those rules are not convenient. As a result, they are doing what everyone else these days does -- taking the issue to the court of public opinion with a broader audience in the hope that someone will take up the issue as a Federal case with a judge that is "friendly" to the FedEx perspective. From the Statist perspective, it's a two-fer -- attacking both state's rights and the second amendment.

[tiviti]

Another big-box retailer, Costco Wholesale Corp, explicitly bans its members from bringing guns into stores. The company's weapons policy is posted on Costco.com but not publicly at store entrances. The retailer hasn't adapted new protocols for confronting an armed customer or employee.

Did Costco always have this policy or was it in response to the shootings in its stores? I've never been a member so I wouldn't know, but I don't recall hearing it before.

[MeMelYup]

"Last year 375 workers were killed in shootings on the job, according to the Labor Department, and in recent years the number has been lower than pre-recession levels. A 2005 North Carolina-based study in the American Journal of Public Health showed that workplaces that allowed guns were about five times more likely to have a worker get killed on the job compared to workplaces that prohibited all kinds of weapons."
Where do these statics come from? They site a study, but not specific data in the study.

I did some digging and this makes more sense
This article is from: http://www.bls.gov/iif/oshwc/cfoi/osar0014.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"Over the past 5 years, 2004-08, an average of 564 work-related homicides occurred each year in the United States. In 2008, a total of 526 workplace homicides occurred, or 10 percent of all fatal work injuries. About 4 out of every 5 homicide victims in 2008 were male. The type of assailants in these cases differed for men and women. Robbers and other assailants made up 72 percent of assailants for men, and 51 percent of assailants for women. Relatives and other personal acquaintances accounted for only 4 percent of assailants of homicides for men, but 28 percent for women1."

This article is from: http://www.victimsofcrime.org/library/c ... e-violence" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
"The majority of workplace homicides are shootings committed by robbers. Decreasing the occurrence of these crimes is a growing concern for employers and employees nationwide.
In 2011, 458 workplace homicides occurred, a decrease from 518 in 2010 and 542 in 2009. Since 1993, the number of workplace homicides declined 57 percent from 1,068 to 458."
Both these studies and more state robbery significant for violence and murder in the workplace.

[sjfcontrol]

Another big-box retailer, Costco Wholesale Corp, explicitly bans its members from bringing guns into stores. The company's weapons policy is posted on Costco.com but not publicly at store entrances. The retailer hasn't adapted new protocols for confronting an armed customer or employee.

Did Costco always have this policy or was it in response to the shootings in its stores? I've never been a member so I wouldn't know, but I don't recall hearing it before.

I believe it's an urban myth. They aren't posted, and I haven't seen a membership agreement since the 1980's, (and that was in California -- and they were called the Price Club back then).

But if they are actually 30.06 posted somewhere, I really don't want to know.

[C-dub]

Another big-box retailer, Costco Wholesale Corp, explicitly bans its members from bringing guns into stores. The company's weapons policy is posted on Costco.com but not publicly at store entrances. The retailer hasn't adapted new protocols for confronting an armed customer or employee.

Did Costco always have this policy or was it in response to the shootings in its stores? I've never been a member so I wouldn't know, but I don't recall hearing it before.

Have there been many or any shootings "in" Costco? I searched a little and only found where the police had killed a woman vendor with a knife and also wounded one of their own.

[CHLLady]

The Costco in South FW is not 30.06.

[sjfcontrol]

Another big-box retailer, Costco Wholesale Corp, explicitly bans its members from bringing guns into stores. The company's weapons policy is posted on Costco.com but not publicly at store entrances. The retailer hasn't adapted new protocols for confronting an armed customer or employee.

Did Costco always have this policy or was it in response to the shootings in its stores? I've never been a member so I wouldn't know, but I don't recall hearing it before.

Have there been many or any shootings "in" Costco? I searched a little and only found where the police had killed a woman vendor with a knife and also wounded one of their own.

Only in Las Vegas, where nothing leaves.

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=36107&hilit=Las+Ve ... co#p426752" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[C-dub]

Another big-box retailer, Costco Wholesale Corp, explicitly bans its members from bringing guns into stores. The company's weapons policy is posted on Costco.com but not publicly at store entrances. The retailer hasn't adapted new protocols for confronting an armed customer or employee.

Did Costco always have this policy or was it in response to the shootings in its stores? I've never been a member so I wouldn't know, but I don't recall hearing it before.

Have there been many or any shootings "in" Costco? I searched a little and only found where the police had killed a woman vendor with a knife and also wounded one of their own.

Only in Las Vegas, where nothing leaves.

You're probably referring to the Eric Scott killing and while "at" Costco, it was really outside.

[sjfcontrol]

Another big-box retailer, Costco Wholesale Corp, explicitly bans its members from bringing guns into stores. The company's weapons policy is posted on Costco.com but not publicly at store entrances. The retailer hasn't adapted new protocols for confronting an armed customer or employee.

Did Costco always have this policy or was it in response to the shootings in its stores? I've never been a member so I wouldn't know, but I don't recall hearing it before.

Have there been many or any shootings "in" Costco? I searched a little and only found where the police had killed a woman vendor with a knife and also wounded one of their own.

Only in Las Vegas, where nothing leaves.

You're probably referring to the Eric Scott killing and while "at" Costco, it was really outside.

Ok... Just outside. Is that your point? Really? He was inside when everything happened except the actual shooting. He was outside for mere seconds before being shot. It was a "costco shooting".

[baldeagle]

Another big-box retailer, Costco Wholesale Corp, explicitly bans its members from bringing guns into stores. The company's weapons policy is posted on Costco.com but not publicly at store entrances. The retailer hasn't adapted new protocols for confronting an armed customer or employee.

Did Costco always have this policy or was it in response to the shootings in its stores? I've never been a member so I wouldn't know, but I don't recall hearing it before.

I believe it's an urban myth. They aren't posted, and I haven't seen a membership agreement since the 1980's, (and that was in California -- and they were called the Price Club back then).

But if they are actually 30.06 posted somewhere, I really don't want to know.

Costco's company policy is no guns, but they do not post 30.06 on their stores. It's rather a disingenuous position, IMO. They want to have their cake and eat it too. After they caused Erik Scott's death (IMO), I decided not to ever go to a Costco for any reason.

[sjfcontrol]

Another big-box retailer, Costco Wholesale Corp, explicitly bans its members from bringing guns into stores. The company's weapons policy is posted on Costco.com but not publicly at store entrances. The retailer hasn't adapted new protocols for confronting an armed customer or employee.

Did Costco always have this policy or was it in response to the shootings in its stores? I've never been a member so I wouldn't know, but I don't recall hearing it before.

I believe it's an urban myth. They aren't posted, and I haven't seen a membership agreement since the 1980's, (and that was in California -- and they were called the Price Club back then).

But if they are actually 30.06 posted somewhere, I really don't want to know.

Costco's company policy is no guns, but they do not post 30.06 on their stores. It's rather a disingenuous position, IMO. They want to have their cake and eat it too. After they caused Erik Scott's death (IMO), I decided not to ever go to a Costco for any reason.

Yes, just like many other places that "don't allow firearms".