It's illegal to use the military against citizens

[VoiceofReason]

My point is that the militarization of the police is dangerous on many levels. There has been more than one instance where departments have served warrants with the mindset “of taking an objective and killing the enemy if they resist”.

Having military vehicles would probably just reinforce that mindset. Law enforcement has enough of an image problem without charging around in one of these vehicles.

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[VoiceofReason]

I did not say he/she should Take off the badge for having a different view than me.

Read it again. “This is not a war zone and any officer that is convinced it is, should take off the badge. It would be better for him/her and the citizens.”

That was rather disingenuous of you seems you forgot to quote ALL of what YOU wrote that texanjoker responded to Here let me help you out.

This thing does not belong on the streets with “POLICE” on the door, even if is “free”. This is not a war zone and any officer that is convinced it is, should take off the badge. It would be better for him/her and the citizens.

So when you READ the entire thing YOU wrote.. it is much different than the cherry picked part you picked out and attempt to defend now..

I don’t see your point. I stand with the entire statement.

Try discussing the subject without personal attacks. It will increase your credibility.

[MeMelYup]

The police in certain parts of Chicago would feel safer if they had them for patrol vehicles.

[cb1000rider]

My point is that the militarization of the police is dangerous on many levels. There has been more than one instance where departments have served warrants with the mindset “of taking an objective and killing the enemy if they resist”.

Having military vehicles would probably just reinforce that mindset. Law enforcement has enough of an image problem without charging around in one of these vehicles.

Voiceof Reason, I agree with you completely. LEOs should be encouraged to interact with the public, not trained that we are possibly an objective/enemy. Although taking down a known felon isn't a public interaction, but it's not a military event either.

However, in the light of several armed incidents, we can't have our LEOs armed with revolvers. History has shown us more than once that a squad car doesn't do very well against a set of well armed men, let alone defendable position. I think the vehicles are necessary in certain extreme circumstances. I'd like to NOT see them used unless the circumstances are extreme.

[mojo84]

My point is that the militarization of the police is dangerous on many levels. There has been more than one instance where departments have served warrants with the mindset “of taking an objective and killing the enemy if they resist”.

Having military vehicles would probably just reinforce that mindset. Law enforcement has enough of an image problem without charging around in one of these vehicles.

Voiceof Reason, I agree with you completely. LEOs should be encouraged to interact with the public, not trained that we are possibly an objective/enemy. Taking down a known felon isn't a public interaction, but it's not a military event either.

However, in the light of several armed incidents, we can't have our LEOs armed with revolvers. History has shown us more than once that a squad car doesn't do very well against a set of well armed men, let alone dependable position. I think the vehicles are necessary in certain extreme circumstances. I'd like to NOT see them used unless the circumstances are extreme.

No one said they want them to be "armed with revolvers".

[cb1000rider]

No one said they want them to be "armed with revolvers".

Yea, I'm kidding about that...

[Dave2]

No one said they want them to be "armed with revolvers".

Yeah, revolvers do seem a bit excessive.


What? It revolves...

[VoiceofReason]

My point is that the militarization of the police is dangerous on many levels. There has been more than one instance where departments have served warrants with the mindset “of taking an objective and killing the enemy if they resist”.

Having military vehicles would probably just reinforce that mindset. Law enforcement has enough of an image problem without charging around in one of these vehicles.

Voiceof Reason, I agree with you completely. LEOs should be encouraged to interact with the public, not trained that we are possibly an objective/enemy. Although taking down a known felon isn't a public interaction, but it's not a military event either.

However, in the light of several armed incidents, we can't have our LEOs armed with revolvers. History has shown us more than once that a squad car doesn't do very well against a set of well armed men, let alone defendable position. I think the vehicles are necessary in certain extreme circumstances. I'd like to NOT see them used unless the circumstances are extreme.

On a previous post in this thread I stated:

I believe we are all in agreement for the most part, just having a little problem with understanding.

I think it would be great if the PD could sell this truck and use the money to put bullet resistant glass in all patrol vehicles, along with steel panels in the doors and whatever else would be needed to protect the occupants to at least a 30.06.

That would be much more likely to save an officers life than this monster sitting in the lot collecting dust.

Use whatever money that is left to purchase and issue “Bulletproof” Ballistic-Rated Clipboards and other safety equipment.

Oh well, I am just a tax payer. My function is to give them my money, their job is to waste it.

When I was with the SO there were times when I worked by myself, at night, on dark country roads, I wished that the patrol car had some protection. Putting some bullet resistance in the patrol cars would probably be more likely to save an officers life than having that monster sitting in the lot gathering dust.

P.S. I know from experience a .357 will penetrate a car body somewhat better than most department issue semi-autos.