Disparity of force (Motorcycle Gang Incident in New York)

[92f-fan]

I wish that the 1% ( the bad element of motorcycle riders)

Based on my personal experience, the bad element is closer to 75%, not 1%. That said, my experience as of late has been pretty much limited to driving 75 in Dallas after 9pm - not necessarily a good sample. This is not a gut reaction either. I was involved in the rather heated motorcycle post several months back, and since then have been keeping track in my head of the number of safe v. crazy bikers I encounter.

Live in a cesspool, get to see, observe those that live there with you. (in your case Drive in a cesspool, might be a truer statement)

I understand your perception of 75% bikers being in the wrong.. I have that same impression of those that live there in totality.. not just the ones stunting on the freeway on a bike.
My personal opinion of Dallas, and those that would choose to live there would not be allowed on this forum. Likely..my limited personal observations are simply limiting my ability to see the "real" Dallas.. so i can see who your misconception of bikes could happen as well

I live outside Dallas and since participating in this conversation have been keeping track
I often have a 65 mile round trip commute from Carrollton to Grand Prairie - most of which is on the 190 toll road
Yesterday I saw 2 motorcycles and a trike. the first motorcycle was heard coming fast in the middle shut down lane - passed me and every one else at approximately 100-110 or more weaving recklessly. The second was the trike I should have taken a picture - it was a home made wonder with HUGE car tires on the back and looked to by 10 feet long. It was wobbling side to side with the weight of the 2 passengers. If that passed inspection we need better rules. 3rd was another that I heard before I saw, passed me between the lanes seemed to be going half again as fast as I was ( i was likely going 70-75 ). Again weaving and acting a fool at crazy speeds.

So yesterdays percentage was 66% of the motorcycles / trikes seen were willfully and intentionally disregarding the rules of the road. And risking my life doing it. If we only count the bikes and leave the home made trike to the entropy that awaits it then its 100%..

This is pretty typical. The 190 toll road is not running in the "bad sections " of Dallas would have to check map to see if I ever even passed through Dallas proper. I wasn't driving during rush hour and I likely was in traffic with many hundreds of "cages" as they are so angrily referred. The cage drivers by comparison were angels

There was a lady in a lexus that was unable to stay in her lane when turning left off the service road in 2 let turn lanes but that was at 3 miles per hour and I doubt she set out from the house with the intention of doing that, she likely just doesn't know any better. I know that the result can be the same - I am just making the point that premeditation in the case of the sport bike riders matters. They know they wont get chased because many jurisdictions have policies against it and the plates are so small to be invisible more than 2 car lengths back ... So they do what they want

[Abraham]

Sure, on occasion a motorcycle driver will drive dangerously, but I see FAR more car and truck drivers drive dangerously.

In my experience, no single group drives worse than others.

[MechAg94]

I wish that the 1% ( the bad element of motorcycle riders)

Based on my personal experience, the bad element is closer to 75%, not 1%. That said, my experience as of late has been pretty much limited to driving 75 in Dallas after 9pm - not necessarily a good sample. This is not a gut reaction either. I was involved in the rather heated motorcycle post several months back, and since then have been keeping track in my head of the number of safe v. crazy bikers I encounter.

I've been riding since I was 12 years old, and I'm sickened by what happened to the Lien family, but that 75% number is just ridiculous overall...although your experience may very well be skewed by where and when you are encountering them. Come on down to the country and you'll have a much different perception. I'd really be surprised if you came up with the 1% that tommyg mentioned. I honestly just don't see any of it here, and I'm out on the roads all around this area in my truck every day of the week.

I'm glad to hear that it is better in your neck of the woods...after dark on the Dallas freeways can be pretty scary. There is virtually no enforcement (at least on the Dallas County stretch of US 75), so anything goes. It is not unusual in my 25 mile commute to be passed by 5 people going well over 100mph; often in packs.

It kind of sounds like you're not really intimidated by the crazy crotch rocket riders, but rather upset that they passed you on your 25 mile commute.
Relax. Let the laws of "natural selection" prevail.

I think none of us want to be on the other side when those people test Darwin's theory. They will likely hurt other people or at least cause damage.

[G0C]

In the original incident, did the rolling mob know some of their group had those jobs? Was that one of the reasons they acted like the law didn't apply to them?

[talltex]

I live outside Dallas and since participating in this conversation have been keeping track
I often have a 65 mile round trip commute from Carrollton to Grand Prairie - most of which is on the 190 toll road
Yesterday I saw 2 motorcycles and a trike. the first motorcycle was heard coming fast in the middle shut down lane - passed me and every one else at approximately 100-110 or more weaving recklessly. The second was the trike I should have taken a picture - it was a home made wonder with HUGE car tires on the back and looked to by 10 feet long. It was wobbling side to side with the weight of the 2 passengers. If that passed inspection we need better rules. 3rd was another that I heard before I saw, passed me between the lanes seemed to be going half again as fast as I was ( i was likely going 70-75 ). Again weaving and acting a fool at crazy speeds.

So yesterdays percentage was 66% of the motorcycles / trikes seen were willfully and intentionally disregarding the rules of the road. And risking my life doing it. If we only count the bikes and leave the home made trike to the entropy that awaits it then its 100%..

This is pretty typical. The 190 toll road is not running in the "bad sections " of Dallas would have to check map to see if I ever even passed through Dallas proper. I wasn't driving during rush hour and I likely was in traffic with many hundreds of "cages" as they are so angrily referred. The cage drivers by comparison were angels

Just a couple of observations...I think all of us need to realize our perceptions are based just on the behaviors WE actually OBSERVE...so, when we are driving along at the "normal" highway speeds, the only out of ordinary drivers we see are those that are going slower or faster than we are. While you observed 3 motorcycles during that commute, there may have been a hundred more that were driving at about the same speed as you, somewhere in front or behind, operating normally, that you would never see. I've never thought of the "cage" term as being an angry reference, but I don't ever use it myself...just viewed it as "biker slang"...most all bikers I know also drive "cages"...more often than their bikes.

[Cletus]

Just a couple of observations...I think all of us need to realize our perceptions are based just on the behaviors WE actually OBSERVE...so, when we are driving along at the "normal" highway speeds, the only out of ordinary drivers we see are those that are going slower or faster than we are. While you observed 3 motorcycles during that commute, there may have been a hundred more that were driving at about the same speed as you, somewhere in front or behind, operating normally, that you would never see.

The same applies to cars and trucks. He sees the ones who pass him, the ones he passes, and the ones going a similar speed who happen to be near him.

I agree that 100% of the motorcycles who pass him is not the same as 100% of the motorcycles sharing the road with him, but the reckless riders make an impression. Like the mall ninja with his M4gery on a 1-point sling at the bank.

[nightmare]

More cops keep popping up the more they investigate. It reminds me of this.

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[Jaguar]

Anyone see the Fort Worth police officer go off on a group of sport bikers? He starts off by talking about the incident this thread is about.

I find it very odd, espically in light of the fact that some of the violators were police officers. Had I been there, I probably would have pointed that out, but these guys were polite and didn't cause any problems.

The officer started out by talking about their speed and the recent, violent confrontation between some bikers in New York.

"This [stuff] has made the news. It's been on TV and stuff," he told the local bikers. "Slamming a helmet inside some guys windshield and pulling him out."

The officer, who has not been identified by the Fort Worth Police Department, seemed to go from rebuking the riders, to egging them on.

"Why you gotta pick on me?" He asked. "Here's your chance - bust out my windshield, slam me up and down the ground. Don't wanna do that - not in your best interest - but guess what, there are video cameras everywhere."

Read more: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/23824764/ ... z2jDDbQhCn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Beiruty]

Anyone see the Fort Worth police officer go off on a group of sport bikers? He starts off by talking about the incident this thread is about.

I find it very odd, espically in light of the fact that some of the violators were police officers. Had I been there, I probably would have pointed that out, but these guys were polite and didn't cause any problems.

The officer started out by talking about their speed and the recent, violent confrontation between some bikers in New York.

"This [stuff] has made the news. It's been on TV and stuff," he told the local bikers. "Slamming a helmet inside some guys windshield and pulling him out."

The officer, who has not been identified by the Fort Worth Police Department, seemed to go from rebuking the riders, to egging them on.

"Why you gotta pick on me?" He asked. "Here's your chance - bust out my windshield, slam me up and down the ground. Don't wanna do that - not in your best interest - but guess what, there are video cameras everywhere."

Read more: http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/23824764/ ... z2jDDbQhCn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The officer was doing some PR of some sort. A bit strange, though.