He then comes real close and starts kicking my car (while we are going 65mph).
I remember reading in the article that most of the bikes did not have license plates visible, if any. That's one thing I always notice on bikes in Houston, especially on sport bikes. We all know that motorcycle vs cop car is a 90% win for bikers. So, in a criminal situation like what you went through, you have practically no legal recourse other than restraint. You're a better person than I, because I would have bumped them off the road if they started kicking my vehicle.
HotLeadSolutions wrote:I would say the driver of the RR's actions were spot on...with the exception of staying on the road. Remember in an emergency situation, road rules do not apply. He should have used his 4 wheel advantage to his advantage. (going over curbs and using terrain that wasn't MC friendly) Also, rapid application of the brakes when they were behind them may have helped to take a few more out as well.
As soon as the second stop happened, and the door was pulled open, I would have had to open fire.
This entire situation was ridiculous. If it happen here in Texas, there would have been some shooting...
"3) Does this case suggest the need to have an AR/AK in your passenger footwell?"
- You mean you don't already?
It has happened here in Texas and the vehicle ended up getting shot 30 something times. I wont say the RR driver was wrong but he didn't need to be in that situation at all. He got irritated that the bikers were obstructing traffic and tried to move thru the crowd when he could of just backed off. Instead he wasn't going to be bullied and ended up beaten in front of his wife and child.
He got irritated that the bikers were obstructing traffic and tried to move thru the crowd when he could of just backed off. Instead he wasn't going to be bullied and ended up beaten in front of his wife and child.
Is that really what you got from the video? While I have yet to hear any evidence, the video appears to show bikes in dangerously-close proximity to the RR through no fault of his own. No options but to maintain steady speed. .. speed up, brake, move left or right, and he'll hit a biker. The only instigator I witnessed was a biker that intentionally slowed his bike in order to make contact with the front bumper of the RR, similar to what you see in insurance fraud cases, except here, it was the biker trying to be Mr tough guy show off. I have a feeling that fleeing for safety was the best option, because I bet the same assault and battery would have occurred had he remained stopped in the middle of those bikers.
He got irritated that the bikers were obstructing traffic and tried to move thru the crowd when he could of just backed off. Instead he wasn't going to be bullied and ended up beaten in front of his wife and child.
Is that really what you got from the video? While I have yet to hear any evidence, the video appears to show bikes in dangerously-close proximity to the RR through no fault of his own. No options but to maintain steady speed. .. speed up, brake, move left or right, and he'll hit a biker. The only instigator I witnessed was a biker that intentionally slowed his bike in order to make contact with the front bumper of the RR, similar to what you see in insurance fraud cases, except here, it was the biker trying to be Mr tough guy show off. I have a feeling that fleeing for safety was the best option, because I bet the same assault and battery would have occurred had he remained stopped in the middle of those bikers.
Look I think what the bikers did was criminal start to finish. I'm not letting them off the hook at all for anything that happened.As the situation was I have no issues with what he RR drive did. That wasn't my point. I do believe that he got in that situation because he, lets say tried to move thru, the large group of bikers who were delaying traffic with their activities. True I'm just guessing at what happened before the video. And by the way how well did fleeing help? Maybe because he wasn't willing to do what was necessary to avoid it, maybe just because he chose the wrong turn, but the man ended up being pulled out and beaten anyway. I'm just playing a bit of the Devils Advocate here and saying sometimes being in the right still means you lose.
I was in the same situation on 75 one sunday afternoon. I slowed down and put my hazard light on and gave them a friendly wave and thumbs up in the air. I agree with Eellis, you do not want to go toe to toe with that gang! too many things can go wrong.
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Look I think what the bikers did was criminal start to finish. I'm not letting them off the hook at all for anything that happened.As the situation was I have no issues with what he RR drive did. That wasn't my point. I do believe that he got in that situation because he, lets say tried to move thru, the large group of bikers who were delaying traffic with their activities. True I'm just guessing at what happened before the video. And by the way how well did fleeing help? Maybe because he wasn't willing to do what was necessary to avoid it, maybe just because he chose the wrong turn, but the man ended up being pulled out and beaten anyway. I'm just playing a bit of the Devils Advocate here and saying sometimes being in the right still means you lose.
True, but it's just like so many other scenarios. How many times do people need to just allow bad/criminal behavior to continue unchecked? Too many people are afraid of a confrontation and won't do or say anything, which only emboldens them and makes them think that behavior is acceptable. The RR wasn't trying to hurt anyone by going around them. These bikers own this entire event and should take responsibility for the entire outcome.
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The RR wasn't trying to hurt anyone by going around them.
Another assumption, folks. From the video, there is no way to tell if he tried passing the bikes. In fact, the video shows the exact opposite... the bikes crowd the vehicle.
The video is 6 minutes long, and if the whole thing was started by a 911 call, that means the authorities were aware of the situation and had not gotten involved after 6 plus minutes! That is the disturbing thing to me.
Heard a few minutes ago on Fox News the incident started because the SUV "bumped" one off the bikes. They didn't elaborate much.
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Robert*PPS wrote:The video is 6 minutes long, and if the whole thing was started by a 911 call, that means the authorities were aware of the situation and had not gotten involved after 6 plus minutes! That is the disturbing thing to me.
While this is from 2012, I doubt if things have changed much in 2013
mojo84 wrote:Heard a few minutes ago on Fox News the incident started because the SUV "bumped" one off the bikes. They didn't elaborate much.
He bumped the bike when the guy slowed down in front of him quickly (shown in video). The bikers were totally at fault in this case, and if I had my family in the car I would have potentially done the exact same thing. ONly difference since Texas vs. New Yorkk is they would have been staring downt he barrel of a pistol when they started trying to enter my vehicle.
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Keith B wrote:He bumped the bike when the guy slowed down in front of him quickly (shown in video). The bikers were totally at fault in this case, and if I had my family in the car I would have potentially done the exact same thing. ONly difference since Texas vs. New Yorkk is they would have been staring downt he barrel of a pistol when they started trying to enter my vehicle.
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mojo84 wrote:Heard a few minutes ago on Fox News the incident started because the SUV "bumped" one off them They didn't elaborate much.
He bumped the bike when the guy slowed down in front of him quickly (shown in video). The bikers were totally at fault in this case, and if I had my family in the car I would have potentially done the exact same thing. ONly difference since Texas vs. New Yorkk is they would have been staring downt he barrel of a pistol when they started trying to enter my vehicle.
I agree, the bikers are at fault. I probably would have ran more off them over once they became aggressiveand started Harding me..
Right or wrong, Fox News said the SUV bumped one of the bikes to trigger the incident and made it sound like it happened before the video started. I don't know if they are right or not and I am in no means trying to place blame on the SUV driver.
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While I have yet to hear any evidence, the video appears to show bikes in dangerously-close proximity to the RR through no fault of his own. No options but to maintain steady speed. .. speed up, brake, move left or right, and he'll hit a biker. The only instigator I witnessed was a biker that intentionally slowed his bike in order to make contact with the front bumper of the RR, similar to what you see in insurance fraud cases, except here, it was the biker trying to be Mr tough guy show off. I have a feeling that fleeing for safety was the best option, because I bet the same assault and battery would have occurred had he remained stopped in the middle of those bikers.
