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Re: Let's talk about knives

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Many people carry firearms that are much more expensive than that, but they never get used as intended. I use my knives all the time, so I don't have a problem spending more on them if I like the design/materials/etc. Personal preference.

You're welcome to your opinion on liner locks. I have never had one fail on me, but I don't mistreat my tools. I try to choose the tool that is best for the job required.

That ad was from the maker of the knife. Of course he thinks it is worth more than what they actually sell for through distributors. Ever hear of MSRP? It IS a VERY high quality custom knife, & is my most expensive by a healthy margin. But there are other distributors that have offered it for less. And sometimes people end up selling things they buy/collect for various reasons.

That leads me to my FS thread here that I referenced for the pictures. It was relevant for the conversation. I'm a private individual selling one of my knives. I am not a business. Most of my posts are not in that area. I don't see any rules broken. And if it happens to lead anybody to be interested in it enough to buy, then bonus for me :)

Thanks! It is my birthday, the weather here is BEAUTIFUL, & I'm about to go see my family. We may even go watch The Family. It is a nice day :thumbsup:

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Happy Birthday AdioSS. I don't know what his problem was, seeing you have more than enough posts to sell.

I prefer fixed blade knives, but the ZT liner locks and Benchmade AXIS locks are good choices for those who won't carry a fixed blade for whatever reason.
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Running Arrow Bill wrote:My "knife" is either a 9mm or .40 LOL! I never need to get that close to questionable people...knock on wood...

As Crocodile Dundee said (paraphrased) to the Gang-bangers... "You call THAT a knife...he draws his LARGE knife from his back waist band... they scattered!!!

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Yeah. I don't carry a knife for self-defense either. I carry just a small swiss army knife for utility use. If I'm going to carrying something as heavy as a self-defense knife, I'd rather carry a Kel-Tec P3AT or Ruger LCP instead. Those guns probably weigh less than a stout 5.5 inch full tang fixed blade knife. Any place that bans guns probably bans knives, too; airport, courthouse, etc. As a matter of fact, some places ban knives but not guns; State Fair of Texas, Capitol Building in Austin.

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AdioSS wrote:
Bang4Buck wrote:I never see LEO pull a knife. They pull a gun!
True, but LEOs can carry those into places that many of us cannot.
Then don't go to those places. Problem solved.
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I go to places like bars & concerts where alcohol is served on premises. I go to the post office from time to time. etc

I also like to carry a heavy duty folder along with a sharp fixed blade & a gun that most would consider to be large.
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Before I was old enough to qualify for a CHL, I used to carry this set of knives.
AdioSS wrote:I go to places like bars & concerts where alcohol is served on premises. I go to the post office from time to time. etc

I also like to carry a heavy duty folder along with a sharp fixed blade & a gun that most would consider to be large.
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the law here doesn't allow carrying knives that are designed to be thrown...
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AdioSS wrote:the law here doesn't allow carrying knives that are designed to be thrown...
Was a teenager and didn't know any better, but yeah, that's why I don't carry that anymore and have a CHL instead. Without the NRA, Gun Owners of America, TSRA, 50 Caliber Association, and the 2nd Amendment, our gun laws would be just as restrictive as our knife laws. There are no characteristics in my pictured knife kit that is any different from my kitchen knives. You could throw a kitchen knife if you wanted to. I was very careful not to carry a throwing star nor double edged throwing knife. The knife laws are ambiguous. For example, the law also bans bowie knives but doesn't define what a bowie knife is. Again, there are no characterisitcs that make a Bowie knife any different than my kitchen knife. One rumor has it that Jim Bowie used a Butcher knife, the identical knife that I use in my kitchen.
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I carry a knife on me at all times when applicable, but never really settle on a knife for their 'self defense' properties, but rather consider for utility use. I strictly rely on my handgun for any self defense situation and if I'm down to just my knife, I'm sure any utility knife will do fine (but god knows I won't use it) I'd definitely run and try to get out of whatever situation I am in. My opinion, I can see the whole knife/ self defense thing working really well in, let's say.. England, Ireland, any country where guns aren't allowed or that's their only real weapon they could use. Here though, I'm not concerned on a 'self defense' knife.
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I carry a knife but it is just utility not defense. I have known too many guys that were trained to take your knife away from you.
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Like a lot of other discussions that pop up once in a while (.45 vs 9mm, OWB vs IWB, AR vs AK, etc., etc.), there have been a fair number of knife discussions on this forum over the years.

If you guys are smart, you'll listen to Skiprr. I don't know him very well and only met him once, but I did attend a seminar he taught on shooting from retention, and I was really impressed with his grasp of close-in fighting. I completely agree with him that just as a pistol is for fighting your way back to the rifle you should have never put down, a knife is for fighting your way to your pistol.

Do I carry a knife? Yes. Always. Over the years of collecting knives........well.....not really collecting.....but buying a knife here and there that I liked....I've devolved to two knives, one of which is my main EDC, the other is my EDC on the days when the first knife just doesn't work from a clothing/social perspective. The primary one is a CRKT M21-14SFG (MSRP $99.99). The secondary one is a Kershaw Tanto Blur (MSRP $109.5). I did not pay MSRP for either knife. I paid about $75-$80 for the CRKT at Cabelas several years ago (they are currently on sale for $74.99), and I paid about $50 for the Kershaw at Walmart about 5-6 years ago (they are currently priced on the Walmart website at $72.08)......so almost nobody has to pay MSRP for a quality knife unless you're buying a custom made one-off. The CRKT is the larger of the two. I carry the Kershaw when I need to be less obvious about having a knife about my person. Admittedly, I have structured my life such that I rarely ever have to go to the Kershaw.

I agree that a fixed blade knife is faster to deploy than a folder. The primary reason I EDC a folder instead of a fixed blade is the same reason I don't EDC an AR15 pistol under a trench coat: practical concealment. I try not to advertise the fact that I am carrying a weapon. (This, incidentally is why I would still probably carry concealed even if we had Open Carry.) The reason for not wanting to advertise it is that the social negatives of doing so have as many or more drawbacks in everyday social interactions than concealment does. The real world in which I live is populated by far more people who are freaked out by the idea of openly carried guns and knives than by people who are perfectly comfortable around them......so why bring trouble on myself?

So for me, the folder is simply the compromise I make in order to get by with the least amount of ruckus in the circles I frequent. Both the CRKT and the Kershaw have reasonably thick blades for their sizes. Both have good sharp blades that seem to hold an edge. Both have serrations that readily saw through things. Both can be deployed very quickly for a folder. Of the two, I actually prefer the unassisted "flipper" system the CRKT employs. It is very fast.

All of that said, I come at this from more than one perspective, one of which is the product of age and infirmity, and which becomes increasingly a determinant of what I can do, or am willing to do. I am not really able to go "mano a mano" with anyone anymore. I would if I had to, but I can assure you that even if I prevailed (not likely), I'd be a lot more scuffed up than someone younger and fitter than I am. I am far more attentive nowadays to not letting people encroach on my space than I used to be. It's not a perfect answer, but it is one of the building blocks to better situational awareness and safer (and longer) living. I don't go to places where trouble may develop where I can't bring my gun........such as bars. I've never been much of a bar-goer most of my life anyway, so that one is easy for me. I hate being in the middle of large urban areas.....so I don't go to them unless it is unavoidable, and that eliminates a lot of potential encounters. I'm not so foolish as to imagine that I can completely eliminate all threats from my life, but I know for a certain fact that omitting certain activities from your life will reduce the odds that you'll need to use a weapon........including the need to use a knife. And when in parking lots, my head is on a swivel. My wife's too, and we are often together when we're out and about. 4 eyes are better than two.

I am of the opinion that I would rather deploy my gun unnecessarily and have to explain it to a cop, than to wait until it is too late to do something about it. I acknowledge, as Skiprr said, that even living in Condition Yellow, we let dozens of people every day get within easy striking distance of us, based on nothing more than unearned trust, simply because life leaves us few alternatives..........and you can't draw down on everyone who gets within 5 feet of you. But if I'm in the Walmart parking lot (unavoidable if I'm going to go to Walmart) then I simply do not ignore anyone, and I am scanning for the ones that look the more obvious threat than soccer mom with three kids, trying to herd her kids and push a grocery cart. I make the decision in advance to only give such people a cursory look because they are a drain on my "attention budget," and to proactively look for the single males, the hoodies (yes, I profile), the hidden faces, the aimless movements, the ones who appear to have no purpose for being in the parking lot, etc. If that person comes my way with a purpose that obviously includes me, then I begin to consider my SD alternatives.....which will depend a lot on other circumstances (i.e., and I between two cars, behind my car, walking toward my car, etc., etc.).

One thing I have memorized is the external length of my own vehicle, which is 15.5 feet, because that is a good way for me to gauge someone's distance from me. If he's 2 "car-lengths" away from me, that is about 31 feet. It's a visual cue. If I'm loading groceries into the back of my SUV and someone appears at the front of my SUV, he's 15.5 feet away. If a suspicious looking guy gets to within 15 feet away from me, he's going to get told to stop right there in no uncertain terms, and I am going to make sure that my body language broadcasts to him that I have something unpleasant for him if he keeps coming. A hand going to near the gun sends a powerful signal. If he bum-rushes me, I'm still prepared to try and shoot from retention. But if we go to ground before I can draw the gun, then I will use the knife........if for no other reason that I'm a little afraid of shooting myself accidentally at that point.

But the main thing is that these are only things I would do if I had no other alternative, and I try to live my life in such a way as to give myself a LOT of alternatives. In self defense, carrying a knife is an alternative. But my primary tactic is to avoid needing to use one in the first place.

There is one thing that Skiprr said that I have not considered until now is carrying the knife on the off-side. That makes a lot of sense, but I'm going to have to retrain myself in its use because I am VERY left-handed.
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Re: Let's talk about knives

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I do not carry a knife for fighting, just a subcompact to full size gun, depending on clothing.
What I found out over the years is that a kick with your boots on the chin or a bit lower in the groin of an opponent is the best choice. A good hit with the fist on the nose is practical as well. Once it comes to close contact it gets dirty and you have to be dirty, as dirty as possible if you want to win. Most important, stay fit! Couch potatoes are typically not in this category and therefore a bit more at risk in case. And BTW, no matter, gun, knife, golf club, if one is not fit he/ she is most likely over challenged in a bad situation.
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TAM, I've added the M21 to my stable of folders as well, I consider it the next best thing to a fixed blade based on the double lock and the 'tang' that deploys with the blade.

I have become partial to the CRKT line of knives.

I did slip off the wagon and order a new carry knife this week, I'll share it when it shows up.
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Well, I just added a Benchmade Axis Flipper to the rotation. Couldn't resist the pricing online at Benchmades site. Laser etched too, with discount, about $80. It doesn't ship until next week, so photos to come. Now, to get rid of a brand new Benchmade Tanto Barrage to offset the costs.

I've always carried my cheapy SOG, but found that it was always being borrowed at work when the supplies come in and has become the go-to box cutter. NO MORE!!! They ain't getting this one!
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Lemme know how much you're going to sell that barrage for. I just got my griptillian and.. I dunno. I feel like it's like a lower class benchmade knife. Kind of like how a Sog flash1 is to other Sog knives.

Lemme know!! :tiphat:
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