Just saw this Katrina video showing gun confiscation

[EEllis]

I remember the media covering this rather extensivly at the time. They showed police and NG carrying out confiscated weapons, legal or not. They were doing it.

they showed it, EEllis you were in an area that was going to behave and honestly if y'al would have done it there the PR that would have come from it would have be bad enough to reach pretty great heights, no one cared about the regular peons having their rights revoked.

Well yes it was a "white" area of town and I have no doubt that made some difference. The people you would run into would be different tho it was not the rich connected people that stayed as far as I saw. Much much more hippy in flavor. And I wasn't there in any law enforcement capacity.

[bizarrenormality]

I have never witnessed a convenience store robbery but I believe they happen.

[tommyg]

From what I gather the grabbers went into the more affluent areas and took guns from people who would not put
up any resistane and be able to quickly replace the illegally taken guns . What a farce

[jmra]

From what I gather the grabbers went into the more affluent areas and took guns from people who would not put
up any resistane and be able to quickly replace the illegally taken guns . What a farce

If by "more affluent areas" you mean middle class, you would be correct. The upper class didn't have anything to worry about.

[EEllis]

From what I gather the grabbers went into the more affluent areas and took guns from people who would not put
up any resistane and be able to quickly replace the illegally taken guns . What a farce

If by "more affluent areas" you mean middle class, you would be correct. The upper class didn't have anything to worry about.

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Just not accurate

[Bang4Buck]

From what I gather the grabbers went into the more affluent areas and took guns from people who would not put
up any resistane and be able to quickly replace the illegally taken guns . What a farce

If by "more affluent areas" you mean middle class, you would be correct. The upper class didn't have anything to worry about.

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Just not accurate

I love it in the video when he says they were there to "persuade" people to leave "without using force"....while they bust in to a home with an AR and confiscate guns.

NOPD saying they will take all weapons and no one will be able to be armed. They got sued and lost for a reason, as best I can tell. I've never been a solider, but I would have a hard time following some of the orders those guys were given. That was ABC, not NRA video.

I'd be interested in knowing why they lost a lawsuit if they didn't illegally confiscate weapons. It has happened before. Remember this guy:

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[Robert*PPS]

I did some quick research on the lawsuit. New Orleans settled with the NRA with a permanent injunction to immediately cease and desist confiscating legally owned weapons and make a strong effort to return confiscated weapons to the rightful owners. During this process, the mayor (I believe it was the mayor but could be mistaken) admitted that the confiscation of legal firearms in the aftermath of Katrina was illegal and unconstitutional.

Katrina is a perfect modern day example of how "society" is a fragile balancing act that has the potential to last for hundreds of years or crumble at any second. In this instance, only a small fraction of our society crumbled, and eventually, constitutional rights were restored. It's telling how quickly rights were tossed out by authorities, and one can only imagine what today would be like if such a collapse were to happen on a much larger scale.

[jerry_r60]

One thing that really bugs me when I see stuff like this is I try to put myself in the situation. What would I do? It's really frustrating because I know they are wrong and I can argue but at the end of the day, they have overwhelming force and the force of law (at least at the moment it's happening). I could end up in jail or worse, right in the middle of a situation where my family needs me most.

It's even worse thinking that not only are they taking them but you may not be getting them back later.

[jmra]

From what I gather the grabbers went into the more affluent areas and took guns from people who would not put
up any resistane and be able to quickly replace the illegally taken guns . What a farce

If by "more affluent areas" you mean middle class, you would be correct. The upper class didn't have anything to worry about.

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Just not accurate

This aired after they took a lot of heat for treating the wealthy differently. But what this video does do is contridict your earlier statements that guns were not confiscated. Ironic isn't it?

[Jaguar]

There are a few "feel good" stories from NOLA. Here's one.

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However, even if his entire unit refused to obey illegal orders, there didn't seem to be a shortage of those who would happily follow them.

[EEllis]

I love it in the video when he says they were there to "persuade" people to leave "without using force"....while they bust in to a home with an AR and confiscate guns.

NOPD saying they will take all weapons and no one will be able to be armed. They got sued and lost for a reason, as best I can tell. I've never been a solider, but I would have a hard time following some of the orders those guys were given. That was ABC, not NRA video.

I'd be interested in knowing why they lost a lawsuit if they didn't illegally confiscate weapons. It has happened before. Remember this guy:

You either are not understanding or you're twisting what you read view to suit your bias. We all do this to some extent but the "bust in to confiscate gun" comment is at the least misleading. Someone entered every abandoned house in NO. Could be cops, fire dept, NG, etc. they then painted the building with markers indicating it had been searched and the result. And honestly what I saw wasn't the full on tac squad entry that was on the tv spot, I think they were playing it up a bit for the camera., I have no doubt that if they saw guns they took them. I wouldn't argue that it was wrong but when you distort facts, use bad logic and twisted fact to try and prove points, who does that help? The lawsuit they "lost", if it was the NRA lawsuit, was about what to do with the guns they did get during the emergency and it was a settlement so it's not some big acknowledgment of anything. That some guy got arrested open carrying a AR-15 in Texas doesn't prove a point about what happened in Katrina. Lets try and be better than gun grabbers not see who can twist facts the best.

[EEllis]

From what I gather the grabbers went into the more affluent areas and took guns from people who would not put
up any resistane and be able to quickly replace the illegally taken guns . What a farce

If by "more affluent areas" you mean middle class, you would be correct. The upper class didn't have anything to worry about.

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Just not accurate

This aired after they took a lot of heat for treating the wealthy differently. But what this video does do is contridict your earlier statements that guns were not confiscated. Ironic isn't it?

Where was that statement of mine? No luck? Maybe because that isn't what I said? I know they took guns but I said the portrayal of what happened was different from what I remembered. Part of that was the the cops using force to remove residents not just about gun seizures. I didn't see cops, and I didn't hear of cops, searching occupied houses. I know that if when searching unoccupied houses they took any gun the found, I know they took any and all weaponry they found on anyone that was provided aid, I know that at the very least if they saw a gun they would take it even if you were in you own yard. I also know that every bar, and they were the first businesses open and fed many people thro the aftermath, had at least one gun onsite and never heard of a single one that got taken. If you are saying that some groups of cops, since there were LEO's from everywhere, were more concerned with firearms than others, well that's human nature, so? What that film showed is directly contradicting your statements not mine. Even if you think they just did that to show they were equal opportunity it still makes you wrong in your statement. And your accusation that they just did it after complaints is meaningless unless you can somehow show that they only did go bother the "rich folk" because of negative press because when something aired has nothing to do with when it was filmed and is poor evidence of why someone is doing something. Mind you I'm not even going to declare you wrong! I'm just saying so far it's hot air that you have at least been at least partially contradicted on.

[jmra]

From what I gather the grabbers went into the more affluent areas and took guns from people who would not put
up any resistane and be able to quickly replace the illegally taken guns . What a farce

If by "more affluent areas" you mean middle class, you would be correct. The upper class didn't have anything to worry about.

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Just not accurate

This aired after they took a lot of heat for treating the wealthy differently. But what this video does do is contridict your earlier statements that guns were not confiscated. Ironic isn't it?

Where was that statement of mine? No luck? Maybe because that isn't what I said? I know they took guns but I said the portrayal of what happened was different from what I remembered. Part of that was the the cops using force to remove residents not just about gun seizures. I didn't see cops, and I didn't hear of cops, searching occupied houses. I know that if when searching unoccupied houses they took any gun the found, I know they took any and all weaponry they found on anyone that was provided aid, I know that at the very least if they saw a gun they would take it even if you were in you own yard. I also know that every bar, and they were the first businesses open and fed many people thro the aftermath, had at least one gun onsite and never heard of a single one that got taken. If you are saying that some groups of cops, since there were LEO's from everywhere, were more concerned with firearms than others, well that's human nature, so? What that film showed is directly contradicting your statements not mine. Even if you think they just did that to show they were equal opportunity it still makes you wrong in your statement. And your accusation that they just did it after complaints is meaningless unless you can somehow show that they only did go bother the "rich folk" because of negative press because when something aired has nothing to do with when it was filmed and is poor evidence of why someone is doing something. Mind you I'm not even going to declare you wrong! I'm just saying so far it's hot air that you have at least been at least partially contradicted on.

First of all the video YOU posted showed people that had been pulled from homes and handcuffed until their guns had been confiscated.
How do I know this happened the way I say it happened? Because I know people who lived it and experienced it. I left NOLA 3 months before Katrina and had lived there most of my life. We housed 20 people who fled but many of their relatives stayed and experienced these same violations of rights.
You are the one who claimed that people were not pulled out of their homes and that the authorities were not confiscating guns because they had better things to do, but yet your own posts betray you.
I done. This is too much like trying to convince someone on welfare they were wrong for voting for Obama.

[EEllis]

First of all the video YOU posted showed people that had been pulled from homes and handcuffed until their guns had been confiscated.

Yes I know, it also showed well off people from big mansions having their guns taken which you said didn't happen. I never claimed there was no gun confiscation.

How do I know this happened the way I say it happened? Because I know people who lived it and experienced it. I left NOLA 3 months before Katrina and had lived there most of my life. We housed 20 people who fled but many of their relatives stayed and experienced these same violations of rights.
You are the one who claimed that people were not pulled out of their homes and that the authorities were not confiscating guns because they had better things to do, but yet your own posts betray you.

You have just been shown that at least one of your statements was incorrect. That "The upper class didn't have anything to worry about." and your response is "but that only happened because of bad press" But the truth is you don't know were not in a position to know, and have no evidence to show that's true and even so it would still make you incorrect on your statement that "The upper class didn't have anything to worry about."

Show me where I claimed that no guns were taken and no one was pulled out of a house! You are, seemingly deliberately, misrepresenting what I have stated. I don't know if it is because when you read them you allowed what you thought I was trying to say affect how you read what I wrote but regardless I have stated often enough that I know gun confiscations took place just that I did't agree with the feel, and I know that's vague, of the NRA piece. Funny enough you don't really contradict anything I state just seemingly are upset and outraged that I seem to feel slightly different than you believe I should. Come on now.

[Bang4Buck]

There are a few "feel good" stories from NOLA. Here's one.

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However, even if his entire unit refused to obey illegal orders, there didn't seem to be a shortage of those who would happily follow them.

I like this guy. Unfortunately, most people don't have the balls to stand up to authority when it is clearly in the wrong.