Schultz Faces Call To Ban Weapons

[03Lightningrocks]

Latte With An Extra Shot? As Gun Lovers Hold Armed Rallies At Starbucks, Howard Schultz Faces Call To Ban Weapons


Now, Schultz — normally seen as a progressive — faces pressure from gun control advocates as Starbucks increasingly becomes a meeting spot for pro-gun rallies. The country’s biggest coffee company allows customers to bring loaded firearms inside Starbucks outlets in states where openly carrying guns is legal. While this is a longstanding policy, it isn’t widely known. Activists on both sides of the debate plan to change that.


Story here....
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“Starbucks has made it very clear that they are not taking a position on this issue,” said Pierce. “They simply want to comply with state laws. Starbucks Appreciation Day was simply saying that is a good policy and we appreciate that Starbucks does not discriminate against gun owners. It is a way of showing the economic power of the tens of millions of gun owners.”

[Beiruty]

Maybe we should rally up and have our own open-carry appreciation day for a good java at our nearest Starbucks coffee.

It is hypocrisy by those Moms, 100% of whom drive cars and cars kills more than firearms by a factor of 3. They should call for no drive-in to Starbucks as cars are really a 2-tons killing machine.

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[sjfcontrol]

“Starbucks bans smoking within 25 feet of its stores in areas where smoking would otherwise be legal. The company also bans firearms from its corporate headquarters and prohibits all employees from carrying guns – even in states where laws would allow them to do so. Like any private business, Starbucks has the legal right to prohibit firearms in its stores in the interest of its customers.”

And, they also have the right not to.

[The Annoyed Man]

Not to change the subject, but there's a link on that page to an interesting story about people who have more faith than I do that they can make a difference: http://www.forbes.com/sites/clareoconno ... ound-game/.

I nave a neighborhood barrista shop that I try to support. He's a fellow small businessman. He's also a Christian and has made his coffee shop into a place where people meet regularly for Bible study, accountability meetings, and other such pursuits as well as the normal social gatherings of people to drink coffee, read the paper, etc.

Even so, I still frequent Starbucks, and largely for the reasons outlined in the OP article. I know that a lot of the people who work there may not mirror my own political viewpoints. That's OK, they have a right to believe whatever they want to. I know that that Starbucks corporation involves itself in some activist causes....mostly having to do with social justice issues.....but, the one thing they do right it is to not discriminate against people who hold political views different from their own. That is as American as apply pie. Of course, liberals don't understand "as American as apple pie" unless the pie is government made and free. I don't really know how many gun owners are coffee drinkers, but if nearly a third of the population owns more guns than we have people, that is a vast market of potential Starbucks customers that they don't want to unnecessarily irritate. It makes very good business-sense to not involve themselves in squabbles over constitutional issues.......and even the anti-gunners admit that it's root, the RKBA is very much about the individual or collectivist view of a Constitutional right. Gun rights is not something that has any bearing whatsoever on Starbucks' business, so they wisely choose to focus on their business, and stay out of the fight.

It would be nice (from our point of view) to actually hear a major corporation positively affirm that right, but properly, they have no business affirming or denying a Constitutional right. It's not a business matter, and it's not smart business. So I'll take their stance and be grateful for it.

[The Annoyed Man]

“Starbucks bans smoking within 25 feet of its stores in areas where smoking would otherwise be legal. The company also bans firearms from its corporate headquarters and prohibits all employees from carrying guns – even in states where laws would allow them to do so. Like any private business, Starbucks has the legal right to prohibit firearms in its stores in the interest of its customers.”

And, they also have the right not to.

Someone ought to ask that fool if they think Starbucks should prohibit free speech in their stores.

[jmra]

Sounds to me that showing "appreciation" for Starbucks policy will mostly likely result in it being changed. We need to exercise our rights instead of flaunting them. When will we stop shooting ourselves in the foot?

[JALLEN]

The trouble is that one side is absolute fanactics about this and will not rest, or even try to maintain dignity, until they get their way. When both sides are like that, eventually one blinks or civil war breaks out. That is what the Muslim Brotherhood is doing in Egypt right now.

Warren Buffett faced this when he set up a program whereby shareholders could designate a charity they chose to receive corporate giving. Some of the shareholders, maybe even Buffett, gave money to pro-abortion causes, and the other side went berserk. He reported that Berkshire employees were being threatened who had nothing to do with any of it. He shut down the program rather than endanger employees.

The LGBTXYZ whatever crowd can be like this. A wealthy man in San Diego donated money to Prop 8, the traditional marriage initiative. When the donors list was made public, his businesses were in for a very tough time, boycotts, demonstrations, etc.

Such antics claim a long line of successes, womans suffrage, prohibition, civil rights, unions, all were achieved in the wake of undignified, and sometimes violent, inflexible resolve to have it your way.

[jimlongley]

I nave a neighborhood barrista shop that I try to support. He's a fellow small businessman. He's also a Christian and has made his coffee shop into a place where people meet regularly for Bible study, accountability meetings, and other such pursuits as well as the normal social gatherings of people to drink coffee, read the paper, etc.

Even so, I still frequent Starbucks, and largely for the reasons outlined in the OP article.

Similarly here. I like my little shop for the friendly people, and even followed my favorite barrista from somewhere else. I go to Starbucks infrequently, but will go there just because of their policy. If they change their policy, then I stop going, not that my business will make or break anyone, my doctor told me I had to cut down on the amount of coffee I drank (measured in pints and quarts, not cups) so I switched to espresso - hey, it's a lot less coffee.

[03Lightningrocks]

For those of us that spend the crazy money on coffee, we should show support by doing it at Starbucks.

[RogueUSMC]

http://www.thebangswitch.com/slapping-a ... -the-face/

Interesting perspective...

[RoyGBiv]

I don't drink coffee except for the occasional espresso I make at home on the weekends (helps motivate me to get honey-do items done ), but if Starbucks came under any real pressure to change their policy, I'd start visiting.

[Purplehood]

http://www.thebangswitch.com/slapping-a ... -the-face/

Interesting perspective...

Interesting, but Starbucks is not our Ally. Corporate interests come first.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Sounds to me that showing "appreciation" for Starbucks policy will mostly likely result in it being changed. We need to exercise our rights instead of flaunting them. When will we stop shooting ourselves in the foot?

I don't believe anyone openly-carrying a firearm is "showing their appreciation" for Starbucks. Rather, they are using Starbucks' locations as rally points and hurting Starbucks in the process. They are intentionally flaunting Starbucks' position on guns to obtain a political advantage. This would be like the Jews in occupied Paris publicly praising those brave French families that where hiding them from the Nazis and their death camps.

Anyone wanting to support Starbucks should do so without calling public attention to their cause that ultimately puts pressure on Starbucks to change their policy. If one wants to let the business know why they support them with their patronage, then use a simple business card that states something like "Thank you for your support of the Second Amendment and the rights of law-abiding gun owners." I'm having cards made up with that statement on one side and the Texas Firearms Coalition logo on the other.

Chas.

[03Lightningrocks]

Sounds to me that showing "appreciation" for Starbucks policy will mostly likely result in it being changed. We need to exercise our rights instead of flaunting them. When will we stop shooting ourselves in the foot?

I don't believe anyone openly-carrying a firearm is "showing their appreciation" for Starbucks. Rather, they are using Starbucks' locations as rally points and hurting Starbucks in the process. They are intentionally flaunting Starbucks' position on guns to obtain a political advantage. This would be like the Jews in occupied Paris publicly praising those brave French families that where hiding them from the Nazis and their death camps.

Anyone wanting to support Starbucks should do so without calling public attention to their cause that ultimately puts pressure on Starbucks to change their policy. If one wants to let the business know why they support them with their patronage, then use a simple business card that states something like "Thank you for your support of the Second Amendment and the rights of law-abiding gun owners." I'm having cards made up with that statement on one side and the Texas Firearms Coalition logo on the other.

Chas.

I agree as well. It helps that I like drinking one of those fancy five dollar coffee drinks for breakfast. I have never been a big fan of "in your face" tactics.