Army decides to put environment first, dead soldiers second

[K.Mooneyham]

In case those two articles don't convince you, perhaps this will.

http://www.armytimes.com/article/201111 ... ne-bidding" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The official said he was not surprised because the propellant in green ammo is "so filthy" some manufacturers have needed an ultrasonic cleaner and rubber mallet to get a bolt out after firing only a few thousand rounds.

Just what you want in the field. A weapon that requires more cleaning and parts replacement just to maintain functionality. Now each soldier will need two weapons; one to shoot with and one down for maintenance - and a mallet and an ultrasonic cleaner too - solar powered I suppose. And with 62,000 - 67,000 psi rounds, barrels will have to be replaced more often as well, bolts will break more often, firing pins will wear out prematurely, pistons will clog with filthy ammo gasses and bullet setback will lead to catastrophic failures, meaning they need to train more armorers to keep up with the demand for parts replacement - while slogging through the Afghani deserts miles from a shop. Great job, Army!

So, Marquez, wanna tout how great a round the M855A1 is now?

Army decides to put environment first, dead soldiers second

Again, Hyperbole..Still.

Feel free to recount the fire fight you were involved in or read about where an M4 user fired a few thousand M855A1 rounds?

Since that is not reality,, the truth is even basic user level cleaning of the weapon after real typical use makes this mythical rubber mallet needed to get the bolt group out,, wait for it...Hyperbole.. just like the made up headline you added to this thread..not even a quote from the nonsense article you posted it from.

It's nonsense, made up from folks that have NO experience, but claim expertise by way of second or third hand reports.

As for your false assertion that I claimed the M855A1 was "great " please point to where I said that in anything I have ever posted here, or anywhere. I have three user names since the mid 80's bronco78, bigbronco78, E.marquez .. Please copy and paste, then highlight where I said what you stated I did..
Thanks

So, I am curious as to which round you, in your personal opinion only (because I understand that you cannot speak in any official capacity on behalf of the US Army), believes to perform better under the conditions you have encountered in the field? I've heard a lot of hype, both for and against the new round, so its just for personal information.

[E.Marquez]

So, I am curious as to which round you, in your personal opinion only (because I understand that you cannot speak in any official capacity on behalf of the US Army), believes to perform better under the conditions you have encountered in the field? I've heard a lot of hype, both for and against the new round, so its just for personal information.

In 5.56... Mk 262 has performed better for me and those I was able to issue it to..
BUT.. it has been said by more than one senior commander and their legal team.. those rounds can not be issued to the masses. Last time it came up.. it was deemed, ok to issue to designated marksmen down to the lowest level.

[K.Mooneyham]

So, I am curious as to which round you, in your personal opinion only (because I understand that you cannot speak in any official capacity on behalf of the US Army), believes to perform better under the conditions you have encountered in the field? I've heard a lot of hype, both for and against the new round, so its just for personal information.

In 5.56... Mk 262 has performed better for me and those I was able to issue it to..
BUT.. it has been said by more than one senior commander and their legal team.. those rounds can not be issued to the masses. Last time it came up.. it was deemed, ok to issue to designated marksmen down to the lowest level.

I appreciate the information. I think I understand what you are saying about the issuance of the ammo. I had thought about trying the "civilian version" of those myself when I saw some for a good price once upon a time, but my 1-in-9 twist AR just doesn't stabilize the heavier grain/longer bullets.

[Texasrpbrock]

Opps... sorry about my Sinex post. I was referring to the pic of of the green bullet on ammo land that looked like a 9mm with a gelcap pressed into it. The new ammo 5.56 does look promising. I'd love to get my hands on a few rounds of the stuff. God knows how much that stuff is going to cost per round.

[Charles L. Cotton]

Feel free to continue breaking Forum rules with personal attacks and snide personal comments, but only if you're ready for a vacation from the Forum. I'm more than a little tired of this. People who are doing this will destroy the community atmosphere others have spent years developing and no Member(s) is worth that. Don't send me a PM saying "Are you talking about me," or "I'm so sorry." Just stop and stop now.

Chas.

[MeMelYup]

Anyone know how a frangible bullet does with a bullistic vest?

[MoJo]

Anyone know how a frangible bullet does with a bullistic vest?

Depending on the vest and type of frangible bullet dismal to abysmal.