17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

[sjfcontrol]

Take a look at CNN this morning. The only topic out of 14 that did not have a reference to Trayvon Martin or George Zimmerman was “World”. They even managed to get the subject into “Tech” and “Entertainment”.

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At James Coney Island taking advantage of their 90 cent coneys today. CNN is on their TV. It's Non stop TM. Apparently 100 protest marches are scheduled for this weekend. So be careful. The out rage is growing. Jesse Jackson wants Obama to speak to it. President Carter spoke, not sure what he said, but if I would guess it would be that the UN needs to open an investigation. Jesse has now decided that Z was over charged on purpose to get him off. He mentioned a woman in Florida who is black and got 20 years and did not kill anyone. This shows how the justice system is racist in Florida.

I identify with Z since we are both CHLs, homeowners, and concerned about crime. Thus I am biased. I tried to put on the other hat. This is what I came up with.

TM was unarmed. TM was legally allowed to be where he was. He was not doing or about to do any thing illegal. He may have been profiled by Z because of his clothes, walk, or possibly his race, not illegal but troubling if you fit that profile. TM may have initiated verbal contact to confront what he saw as a danger. So far no laws broken, something we could all agree with.

Then something happens, if your on the other side, which I'm trying to be on now.

Z hits TM and TM realizing he has only seconds to act, realizes he can reach Z before Z can get to his holstered gun. So TM springs and knocks down Z, landing on top, Z spends all his time trying to get his gun, screaming for help to alert his neighbors. TM try's to stop Z from reaching g his gun, and increasingly begins pummeling Z to knock him out, he fails and Z finally gets the gun. TM raises up to try and get away but Z fires one shot which passes through all important organs and dies heroically trying to save his life. Z puts him self together in the few minutes before police arrive and comes up with a story that this thug attacked him for no reason and fearing for his life shot him. The police seeing an urban dressed young black man and finding
no other evidence to the contrary, do not arrest him.

Imagine the situation if TM had gotten to the gun in this fight and had killed Z. Would not this be what he told the police.

To me Z explains if more logically. But I am biased.

Did GZ “show his gun in the holster, and says something like "I'm going to kill you"” before or after calling the police?

That is the problem I have with scenarios like this. I tend to believe that if he intended to do something along these lines, he would have never called 911.

In order for me to understand the objections to the verdict, I needed in my mind to set up a logical chain of events that would match the evidence that we have with TM being the totally innocent victim and Zimmerman being a guilty aggressor. This is the only one I could come up with.

If there are others, I'd like to see them.

Otherwise this must be what every thinking person believes who has objected to the verdict. If they do not believe something like this happened, then they are just mindlessly taking a side. I assume this is what the president of the National Bar Association believes happened, since he made this press release. http://myemail.constantcontact.com/NBA- ... Shmmia_6mM" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Of course once you agree this chain of events is required for Zimmerman to be guilty as an aggressor, you have to ask yourself, was there any evidence that this is what happened? Unfortunately there was not. Zero. Thus, the not guilty verdict.

Actually, no. Those that object require no logical chain of events. They will make up their own chain of events that have nothing to do with reality. I quote from your link (which was as far as I read it).

"The verdict," stated NBA President John E. Page "says an unarmed college-bound Black teen can be profiled, stalked, confronted and killed by an armed neighborhood watchman with hollow tip point bullets.

College bound?

This representation of the facts (or at least the testimony) can only be described as "delusional". Those that object to the verdict are unwilling to admit that Treyvon decided to teach the "spooky <redacted> cracker" a lesson, and unexpectedly found himself outmatched.

And, yeah, let's insert those cop-killer bullets into the argument.

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The NSA knows where GZ is. I expect Obama to declare him an "enemy combatant" and to take him out with drone strike.

[texanjoker]

The NSA knows where GZ is. I expect Obama to declare him an "enemy combatant" and to take him out with drone strike.

I'd like to hear Trayvons phone call.....

[suthdj]

Slightly off topic but relavant to the racial element of profiling.

http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-re ... 00529.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[brainman]

Slightly off topic but relavant to the racial element of profiling.

http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-re ... 00529.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I knew that the crime numbers were disproportionate, but the stats in that article are astonishing.

[philip964]

Slightly off topic but relavant to the racial element of profiling.

http://news.yahoo.com/black-americas-re ... 00529.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I knew that the crime numbers were disproportionate, but the stats in that article are astonishing.

I knew the statistics were high but not this high. No wonder people profile.

[mojo84]

Hence, every black father must have a "conversation" with his son, warning him not to resist or run if pulled over or hassled by a cop.

Make the wrong move, son, and you may be dead is the implication.

My dad gave me the same advice and we were a middle class white family. Good advice is good advice regardless of skin color.

[The Annoyed Man]

Hence, every black father must have a "conversation" with his son, warning him not to resist or run if pulled over or hassled by a cop.

Make the wrong move, son, and you may be dead is the implication.

My dad gave me the same advice and we were a middle class white family. Good advice is good advice regardless of skin color.

EXACTLY!!!

[mamabearCali]

When I was 16 my dad had that same conversation with me. I am Caucasian woman from a middle class family.

You can be 100% right and 100% dead at the same time. Better to spend a night in jail than have your loved ones pick your body up at the morgue.

It has nothing to do with race it is just good advice in a time where Mayberry is long gone and 1984 is on the cusp of being reality.

[suthdj]

And some more this time a + for GZ
http://news.yahoo.com/reverend-lambaste ... 24579.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[ScooterSissy]

Piers Morgan is amazing. He says there's "very little evidence" to show that Martin was a thug, but insists Zimmerman was a murderer.

There are Youtube videos of Martin streetfighting.
He punched out his school bus driver, and bragged about his prowess in doing so
He had photos on his phone of a gun, underage naked girls, and texts bragging about his fighting
He'd been suspended from school twice (allegedly, it was a school officer suspending him instead of filing criminal charges, so he wouldn't have a record)
He was in Sanford instead of Miami because of his behavior problems

What more does it take for there to be "evidence" of thuggery, bashing someone's head against the pavement and threatening to kill them?

Oh.... wait ....

[Tic Tac]

If it was racism rather than a broken "culture" then immigrants with dark skin would have the same problems as those born in America. That may be true for the risk of being shot by NYPD, but when you look at academic achievement and career success, Black immigrants in aggregate do much better than Blacks born here and immersed in a toxic "gangsta" culture.

Similar trends can be seen in other ethnic groups as well.

[philip964]

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-tr ... ict-2013-7" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Obama speaks "it could have been me"

Well, maybe it could have been. I never knew he was that violent when he was young.

[fickman]

If it was racism rather than a broken "culture" then immigrants with dark skin would have the same problems as those born in America. That may be true for the risk of being shot by NYPD, but when you look at academic achievement and career success, Black immigrants in aggregate do much better than Blacks born here and immersed in a toxic "gangsta" culture.

Similar trends can be seen in other ethnic groups as well.

One of the most informative, interesting reads on the topic of culture and race that I've ever encountered. FWIW, culture is the root of the issue, and Sowell proves it with impeccable research. I HIGHLY recommend this book.
"Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell

[The Annoyed Man]

If it was racism rather than a broken "culture" then immigrants with dark skin would have the same problems as those born in America. That may be true for the risk of being shot by NYPD, but when you look at academic achievement and career success, Black immigrants in aggregate do much better than Blacks born here and immersed in a toxic "gangsta" culture.

Similar trends can be seen in other ethnic groups as well.

One of the most informative, interesting reads on the topic of culture and race that I've ever encountered. FWIW, culture is the root of the issue, and Sowell proves it with impeccable research. I HIGHLY recommend this book.
"Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell

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