Moral vs Ethical carry on 30.06

[jayinsat]

My wife's birthday was this past Monday. She wanted this specific bracelet that only Jareds sells. The Jared jewelry store here in San Antonio is legally posted 30.06. Normally, I would refuse to do business with any store that prohibits my legal carry, However, my wife insisted she wanted this one bracelet and only that bracelet, so I disarmed and went in. Gotta keep her happy.

Any other time, we load back up and move on.

[bdickens]

The way I see it, is even if the sign is not "legal", it is obvious that business does not want me, nor my money there....

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[Jaguar]

I happened upon this sign today. I just went on through the gate. I had tobacco products too!

I love how the sign says, "in accordance with state law" like that is some kind of magical phrase that makes it legal and binding on all subjects who dare darken their door step. If you want it to actually BE in accordance with state law, post the sign described in the state law. It seems to me they don't want to be in accordance with state law, so the sign means nothing.

Carry on.

[Panda]

Where do you draw your line?

Morally and ethically, I draw the line the same place as off duty cops and feds. If its moral for them to carry, its moral for the citizens to carry too.

[Dirthawking]

Where do you draw your line?

Morally and ethically, I draw the line the same place as off duty cops and feds. If its moral for them to carry, its moral for the citizens to carry too.

That would be ethical.

[Zoo]

They're only allowed if they're possessed contrary to state law?

[Jaguar]

[ Image ] They're only allowed if they're possessed contrary to state law?

ROFL - I didn't catch that.

[RPBrown]

When my wife started getting quotes for her insurance at her shop, the agent that was doing the comparisons came by and was explaining the different policies to us. Now keep in mind that my wife has a sign in the window of a hand holding a pistol that says "we dont dial 911". When the agent came in, I noticed that he stopped, looked at the sign, smiled, went back to his car and put a folder back in the car, then he came in.

After his presentations, we decided on a company, signed the papers and gave him a check, I asked him what he thought was funny about her sign. He said nothing was funny about it but he had one company that would require that you post a no handgun sign so he decided after seing her sign, not to even present that company to us.

[mojo84]

I'd be interested to know which company. It is definitely not one of the 15-20 with which I work. Guess I am fortunate as I have not even had an underwriter ask about gun signs or gun policy other than when hiring or providing security guards.

I also am not inclined to bring it up with any of my underwriters as they do not need any help coming up with new ideas or requirements.

[chrisdxn]

To me the 30.06 is the dumbest thing you can post on the outside of a private business.

I think I will go into business and make signs that say "ARMED ZONE - All employees are armed and trained"

Which sign would on the front door of your business would make you feel safer?

[chasfm11]

To me the 30.06 is the dumbest thing you can post on the outside of a private business.

I think I will go into business and make signs that say "ARMED ZONE - All employees are armed and trained"

Which sign would on the front door of your business would make you feel safer?

You would be surprised at how many people feel completely unsafe around the word "gun" let alone the real thing.

As a society, we have allowed a few who have an anti-gun obsession to take the moral "high ground". Like Sandy Hook, it is all about "protecting the children." Think I'm wrong? Why, then, is it so much of a problem getting OC in Texas? The sight of a gun makes too many people freak out.

There are quite a few hoplophobes. Then you add in all of those who use guns as a social or political agenda leverage point and you have a formidable group to deal with it Again, if you doubt what I'm saying, look around at the growing number of incidents where images of guns illicit strong reactions. A kid chewing a piece of pastry into a shape that looks remotely like a gun gets expelled from school.

I'm really glad to see the amount of push back that is occurring. Even though the counter-protesters in New Hampshire didn't handle it correctly (and one got arrested), the days of the anti-gun rallies going unchallenged are over, I hope. Until we do a better job of educating the general public that guns are not inherent devices of evil as the Liberal anti-gun types claim that they are, "safety" is going to be usurped by the groups like the Mayors Against Illegal Guns. Actually, they should call themselves "Mayors against all guns."

As to the original question, I'll smile as I carry past any sign that doesn't conform to the Texas Penal Code. I've got to follow it. They do, too. Generally, I don't do business with places that are anti-gun. Sometimes, avoiding them completely is not possible.

[chrisdxn]

My full-time job is in a business that has the 30.06 sign on the front doors. I cannot disagree more with the sign
and I have voiced that disagreement to the corporate office. They have one way to view it and I have another.
Most of us are pro-firearms and we live by the concept....You don't tell me and I wont ask! I have watched
people walk up to the front door....look up at the sign....and return to their car and drive off. The company is a
great company but it does have this issue completely wrong. I had several people say something to me and I
can only tell them I do understand and they are truly preaching to the choir.

[MeMelYup]

My full-time job is in a business that has the 30.06 sign on the front doors. I cannot disagree more with the sign
and I have voiced that disagreement to the corporate office. They have one way to view it and I have another.
Most of us are pro-firearms and we live by the concept....You don't tell me and I wont ask! I have watched
people walk up to the front door....look up at the sign....and return to their car and drive off. The company is a
great company but it does have this issue completely wrong. I had several people say something to me and I
can only tell them I do understand and they are truly preaching to the choir.

Give them the 800-xxx-xxxx to the home office. Inform the customer that the home office will be glad to hear their comments on that subject.

[chasfm11]

My full-time job is in a business that has the 30.06 sign on the front doors. I cannot disagree more with the sign
and I have voiced that disagreement to the corporate office. They have one way to view it and I have another.
Most of us are pro-firearms and we live by the concept....You don't tell me and I wont ask! I have watched
people walk up to the front door....look up at the sign....and return to their car and drive off. The company is a
great company but it does have this issue completely wrong. I had several people say something to me and I
can only tell them I do understand and they are truly preaching to the choir.

Some companies are schizophrenic on this issue. I'm working a problem with Haverty's Furniture right now. None of their show rooms are posted (at least as far as I've seen) but they have a huge, in-your-face 30.06 sign at their pickup point. I spoke to the manager at the showroom where I bought our furniture and found out that he has a CHL, too, and disagrees with their policy. Corporate tells him it is for "employee safety". So the employees in the store fronts are not meant to be safe? At the warehouse, there is less than 100 square feet of customer accessible area that is covered by the 30.06 so the sign mostly applies to Haverty's warehouse employees. All that sign buys them is the ability to have an employee arrested for carrying rather than just being fired (they have a policy like most other companies against carrying on the job.) The situation makes no sense to me. When I showed up at the warehouse, I had to disarm to go into the tiny office to sign the pickup papers but could interact with their employees on the adjacent parking lot where they brought the furniture that I had purchased so the sign did nothing for employee safety there. Essentially, the one huge sign "protects" one woman behind a desk.

[mojo84]

My full-time job is in a business that has the 30.06 sign on the front doors. I cannot disagree more with the sign
and I have voiced that disagreement to the corporate office. They have one way to view it and I have another.
Most of us are pro-firearms and we live by the concept....You don't tell me and I wont ask! I have watched
people walk up to the front door....look up at the sign....and return to their car and drive off. The company is a
great company but it does have this issue completely wrong. I had several people say something to me and I
can only tell them I do understand and they are truly preaching to the choir.

Some companies are schizophrenic on this issue. I'm working a problem with Haverty's Furniture right now. None of their show rooms are posted (at least as far as I've seen) but they have a huge, in-your-face 30.06 sign at their pickup point. I spoke to the manager at the showroom where I bought our furniture and found out that he has a CHL, too, and disagrees with their policy. Corporate tells him it is for "employee safety". So the employees in the store fronts are not meant to be safe? At the warehouse, there is less than 100 square feet of customer accessible area that is covered by the 30.06 so the sign mostly applies to Haverty's warehouse employees. All that sign buys them is the ability to have an employee arrested for carrying rather than just being fired (they have a policy like most other companies against carrying on the job.) The situation makes no sense to me. When I showed up at the warehouse, I had to disarm to go into the tiny office to sign the pickup papers but could interact with their employees on the adjacent parking lot where they brought the furniture that I had purchased so the sign did nothing for employee safety there. Essentially, the one huge sign "protects" one woman behind a desk.

I guess they figure she will be the potential target when they get the customer's order wrong and think the sign will keep her safe. Go figure.