Shootin Turtles?

[03Lightningrocks]

You guys are fighting about what turtles eat.

What is this world coming to

NO. Maybe you should read the posts if you want to comment on them. We are debating whether or not turtles are causing declining fish and frog populations.

[chuckybrown]

I think I found a photo of lightningrocks:

[03Lightningrocks]

I think I found a photo of lightningrocks:

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all in fun buddy.....

Yep, that's me... . I wish I were in that good of shape! the funny thing is, I am really not that concerned about turtle populations.

My main point is... Why justify silliness with false information? If you want to randomly shoot turtles for fun, call it what it is. But nope, we have a new mentality in America these days. We have this tendency to think we can justify any behavior we want and this makes it OK. If we feel we need to search for a reason to do something, this may just be an indicator that what it is we are doing is inherently wrong.

I have just furnished proof that the theory of turtles being the cause for frog and fish populations dwindling in the wild is incorrect. Is the op still planning to shoot them? My guess is... Probably.

That being said, I do believe amphibians are our "canary in the coal mine" when it comes to environmental pollutants. But that is a whole different thread topic.

[fickman]

One nuance: with one exception, every lake in Texas is "artificial".

[chuckybrown]

LR, I don't believe in killing for "fun" either. That all started back in '76 when my father made me eat the sparrow I shot......

But I will eradicate the dudes when they overrun my pond...

All good.

Peace.

[03Lightningrocks]

LR, I don't believe in killing for "fun" either. That all started back in '76 when my father made me eat the sparrow I shot......

But I will eradicate the dudes when they overrun my pond...

All good.

Peace.

That was the way I was taught as well. The stock pond situation is arguably different than what is happening at lakes and rivers. I could easily be convinced that in an enclosed environment such as a stock pond, over population by any species can be at the detriment to other species in that environment.

A few years back I was permitted to fish a stock pond that had a pretty good population of pretty good sized bass. I guess we didn't take enough bass out of the environment because before we knew it we went from catching nice sized bass to catching the weirdest looking undersized bass to catching no bass. The rancher restocked it with catfish. Over the years we witnessed the same evolution with the catfish.

[nyj]

My main point is... Why justify silliness with false information?

Why argue about silliness?

[Right2Carry]

More "FACTS" on Pesticides and Fertilizers.

Several scientific ideas about the causes of amphibian declines exist, and they’re not necessarily mutually exclusive. Chemical pesticides, fertilizers and acid rain are thought to have contributed. Habitat loss has definitely affected amphibian populations. A killer “chytrid” fungus affects populations in both North and South America. Increased ultraviolet radiation (UV-B) has also been implicated.

http://www.tpwmagazine.com/archive/2004/may/ed_2/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Now you are doing straw man arguments. The original comment that I said was baloney was a post insinuating that somehow snapping turtles were causing a decline in fish and frog populations. Now you want to discuss environmental pollutants as if they don't exist. Just plain silliness my man.

I think you realize how wrong it is to blame turtles for declining frog and fish populations but you don't know how to get off it without losing "Internet face". It's OK. I still respect you. It is OK to be wrong. As you get older you will realize it is no crime to be incorrect.

Let me help you out. There is the possible correlation that in an artificial environment, such as stock tank, turtle may lower your fish numbers. I can't find a single article supporting this but will give it to you so we can move on. As for the original post concerning this situation where it was suggested that the turtles were causing declining fish and frog populations... BULL ONNEY! Other species eat far more fish eggs and frog eggs than turtles.

Here is some more info on the topic of turtle eating eggs.

http://www.ct.gov/dEep/cwp/view.asp?a=2 ... v_GID=1655" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here is the main paragraph concerning the silliness.

A 1940s study in Connecticut found that not only fish, but aquatic plants and crayfish are dominant food items. Other studies also have shown that snapping turtles eat insignificant amounts of game fish, and that mammalian nest predators and large fish kill far more waterfowl than do snapping turtles. In natural situations, snapping turtles have no significant impact on fish or waterfowl populations.

Actually your statement solely blamed fertilizers and pesticides and discounted anything else. All I did was prove how wrong your orginal statement was.

I never once blamed the declining population of frogs strictly on turtles, unlike your post which clearly laid the blame on pollutants. You are doing a good job crawfishing, keep it up. Although I have witnessed what turtles can do to the frog population first hand.

East Texas is having no such problem with the Frog Population in fact it seems to be thriving pretty well. I guess all those East Texas frogs are immune from the effects of pesticides and fertilizer.

[Right2Carry]

You guys are fighting about what turtles eat.

What is this world coming to

NO. Maybe you should read the posts if you want to comment on them. We are debating whether or not turtles are causing declining fish and frog populations.

We are debating the opinion of your original post discounting anything else could be responsible for the declining population of frogs.

lightningrocks said:

The reduction in frog populations has NOTHING to do with turtles. Frog population reduction is due to man polluting the environment with pesticides and fertilizers.

As a kid I lived in Pasadena Texas. There were toad frogs all over the place. Not now. Again... Not predation... POLLUTION.

[Right2Carry]

I think I found a photo of lightningrocks:

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all in fun buddy.....

Yep, that's me... . I wish I were in that good of shape! the funny thing is, I am really not that concerned about turtle populations.

My main point is... Why justify silliness with false information? If you want to randomly shoot turtles for fun, call it what it is. But nope, we have a new mentality in America these days. We have this tendency to think we can justify any behavior we want and this makes it OK. If we feel we need to search for a reason to do something, this may just be an indicator that what it is we are doing is inherently wrong.

I have just furnished proof that the theory of turtles being the cause for frog and fish populations dwindling in the wild is incorrect. Is the op still planning to shoot them? My guess is... Probably.

That being said, I do believe amphibians are our "canary in the coal mine" when it comes to environmental pollutants. But that is a whole different thread topic.

You haven't proven pollution is the sole reason either. Turtles eat frogs and if the turtle population is high enough they will eradicate the frog and fish population from a stock tank. You can't sell the pollution theory when some of us on here have seen what turtles can do to the life that exists in and around a stock tank. Turtles are no good and deserve a quick death.

[03Lightningrocks]

You guys are fighting about what turtles eat.

What is this world coming to

NO. Maybe you should read the posts if you want to comment on them. We are debating whether or not turtles are causing declining fish and frog populations.

We are debating the opinion of your original post discounting anything else could be responsible for the declining population of frogs.

lightningrocks said:

The reduction in frog populations has NOTHING to do with turtles. Frog population reduction is due to man polluting the environment with pesticides and fertilizers.

As a kid I lived in Pasadena Texas. There were toad frogs all over the place. Not now. Again... Not predation... POLLUTION.

And for the last time. Declining populations of fish and frogs has NOTHING to do with turtles. You have posted NOTHING... Absolutely NOTHING that shows otherwise.

The reasons for the declines in frog populations IS ENVIRONMENTAL. This I have posted more than one link to proving to all but the thickest of readers that environmental issues are the ONLY reason.

You have slowly evolved your original argument as you have recognized the error of your original post concerning this. You originally wanted to act as if you believed that turtles were somehow responsible. now you try to rebuild your case from a different angle. For this reason I feel I have done a very thorough job of educating you. Where should I send the bill? My work is done here.

[03Lightningrocks]

My main point is... Why justify silliness with false information?

Why argue about silliness?

It is actually called debate. But the answer is... FOR FUN.

[Mike1951]

With this heated discussion over turtles, we're supposed to agree about gun control??

[Right2Carry]

You guys are fighting about what turtles eat.

What is this world coming to

NO. Maybe you should read the posts if you want to comment on them. We are debating whether or not turtles are causing declining fish and frog populations.

We are debating the opinion of your original post discounting anything else could be responsible for the declining population of frogs.

lightningrocks said:

The reduction in frog populations has NOTHING to do with turtles. Frog population reduction is due to man polluting the environment with pesticides and fertilizers.

As a kid I lived in Pasadena Texas. There were toad frogs all over the place. Not now. Again... Not predation... POLLUTION.

And for the last time. Declining populations of fish and frogs has NOTHING to do with turtles. You have posted NOTHING... Absolutely NOTHING that shows otherwise.

The reasons for the declines in frog populations IS ENVIRONMENTAL. This I have posted more than one link to proving to all but the thickest of readers that environmental issues are the ONLY reason.

You have slowly evolved your original argument as you have recognized the error of your original post concerning this. You originally wanted to act as if you believed that turtles were somehow responsible. now you try to rebuild your case from a different angle. For this reason I feel I have done a very thorough job of educating you. Where should I send the bill? My work is done here.

What have you posted for the last time that shows it to be pollution based? Nothing but ideas, thoughts, and beliefs.

You were wrong and there is nothing that STATES beyond a doubt that pollutions is the sole cause of the declining frog population.

You were wrong then and you are still wrong. I see you are still trying to crawfish your way out of your original OPINION and not a statement of fact as you presented it. I am glad you have seen the error of your orginal post.

[03Lightningrocks]

With this heated discussion over turtles, we're supposed to agree about gun control??

Hopefully we aren't all of the belief that we must agree on every aspect of life to be in agreement about gun control. One could make the same comment you just made about ice cream flavors. One person likes chocolate, another vanilla. How about the old Glock vs 1911 debate? I thnk it will be OK for us to disagree on turtles.