The Department of Homeland Security responded Friday to questions from Rep. Tim Huelskamp, R-Kan., about why the agency was allegedly planning to buy some 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the next five years.
DHS told Whispers it regularly fills all of its goods and services requirements at one time because it's cheaper for the agency, and that the 1.6 billion number was misleading because the language of DHS's purchase said it would need "up to" a certain amount.
Bullet Buys: Fifteen members of Congress have written a letter to the Department of Homeland Security demanding to know why the federal agency is buying so many rounds of ammunition. We'd like to know too.
Freshman California Republican Doug LaMalfa and 14 of his House colleagues, who signed on to his March 5 letter, are asking the Department of Homeland Security to explain why it is buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition of various calibers. They aren't happy with explanations provided so far in the press by lower-level officials, answers meant to debunk "unfounded" concerns.
It's interesting to see the fMSM starting to come on board with wanting answers to this stuff............they're only overdue by a month or so......
“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”
Senator Coburn, Republican from Oklahoma, requested information from DHS back in November in regards it's ammo purchases and use. http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//in ... 45c21519c2
Their reply states that in the last 3 fiscal years they have expended 285 Million rounds in training, and 77 Million rounds in operations. Almost 1000 rounds per agent per year for training? JHPs? Nah, I'm not buying that.
Dadtodabone wrote:Senator Coburn, Republican from Oklahoma, requested information from DHS back in November in regards it's ammo purchases and use. http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//in ... 45c21519c2
Their reply states that in the last 3 fiscal years they have expended 285 Million rounds in training, and 77 Million rounds in operations. Almost 1000 rounds per agent per year for training? JHPs? Nah, I'm not buying that.
That would be 250 per quarter (3 months). That's less than I shoot.
I had yet another link to a contract PDF but lost the thing - looked through all my memos from last year, don't know where it went. Would have kept better track of things if I'd known it was going to turn into such a stink.
Dadtodabone wrote:Senator Coburn, Republican from Oklahoma, requested information from DHS back in November in regards it's ammo purchases and use. http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//in ... 45c21519c2
Their reply states that in the last 3 fiscal years they have expended 285 Million rounds in training, and 77 Million rounds in operations. Almost 1000 rounds per agent per year for training? JHPs? Nah, I'm not buying that.
That would be 250 per quarter (3 months). That's less than I shoot.
It's less than I shoot also. But it's far in excess of what traditional LE agencies require of their officers/deputies/agents, or provide support for.
Here is an interesting question: How does the DHS reported statistics compare to other organizations, including LE? I would expect police forces, especially those in larger cities, to require sufficient training of their officers and that those officers would more likely have to use their guns in the course of performing their duties than the DHS agents. Either that or the news of the DHS "situations" is being blacked out. 285M rounds over 3 years still sounds like a lot more ammo than the US military used during the IRAQ war.
If all of that ammo is being fired here in the US, why isn't the EPA on the DHS for lead contamination rather than the EPA trying to go after hunters?
You know, as much digging that I and a few others have done over the last few weeks on this and a few other aquisition issues with the DHS, I have to say that I believe everyone is getting the run around...
I heard it directly from Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) himself...The DHS DID purchase, and is taking delivery of the ammunition in the quantity and type we have been hearing about...
Now...If the guy in the full Congressional Finance committee has been lied to, and his information he related to us is false...Then what???
Suggestions??? Because from what has been developing lately is that we have still to figure out the truth behind the MRAP's, the 7000+ select fire M4's, the armored checkpoint booths...
I mean at this point, what does lying and deception do for them??? Just let us know the truth and we'll go from there...Unless they are not ready to deploy just yet...Maybe they can just go ahead and deploy what they have now and let the rest of the stuff catch up...Who knows...
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Dadtodabone wrote:Senator Coburn, Republican from Oklahoma, requested information from DHS back in November in regards it's ammo purchases and use. http://www.coburn.senate.gov/public//in ... 45c21519c2
Their reply states that in the last 3 fiscal years they have expended 285 Million rounds in training, and 77 Million rounds in operations. Almost 1000 rounds per agent per year for training? JHPs? Nah, I'm not buying that.
Just a second here.
If 285M gets you ~1K per agent for training, 77M yeilds ~270 rounds per agent per year used in "operations".
I doubt each and every DHS aganet has shot ~270 rounds per year, so half the agnecy is shooting ~540 rounds during "operations"? Who is shooting all this ammo? Who are they shooting all this ammo at?
"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." -- James Madison
Posted by Jim Hoft on Sunday, March 24, 2013, 10:51 AM
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Captain Terry M. Hestilow, United States Army, Retired (Examiner)
On Saturday March 23, Terry M. Hestilow, a retired Army officer with nearly 30 years of service under his belt, posted this letter he sent to Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) this week. Hestilow wants DHS to hand over their war weapons to the Department of Defense.
The Honorable Senator John Cornyn, State of Texas
United States Senate
517 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510
Re: Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and that agencies preparation for war against citizens of the United States of America
Dear Senator Cornyn,
It is with gravest concern that I write to you today concerning the recent appropriation of weapons by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that can only be understood as a bold threat of war by that agency, and the Obama administration, against the citizens of the United States of America. To date, DHS has been unwilling to provide to you, the elected representatives of the People, justification for recent purchases of almost 3,000 mine-resistant ambush-protected (MRAP) armored personnel carriers, 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition (with associated weapons), and other weapons systems, when, in fact, the DHS has no war mission or war making authority within the limits of the United States of America.
Significant is the fact that at the same time the Obama administration is arming his DHS for war within the limits of the United States against the People of the United States in accordance with his 2008 campaign speech claiming,
“We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set. We’ve gotta (sic) have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded [as the United States military]”–Candidate Barack Obama, 2008.
The Obama administration is deliberately defunding, overextending, and hollowing the Department of Defense; the only legitimate agency of the U.S. government with a war mission.
This act of the Obama administration stands as a glaring threat of war against our nation’s citizens! This act of the Obama administration can only be understood as a tyrannical threat against the Constitution of the United States of America! If left unresolved, the peace loving citizens who have sworn to defend the United States Constitution “against all enemies, both foreign and domestic” are left no option except to prepare to defend themselves, and the U.S. Constitution, against this Administration’s “coup” against the People and the foundations of liberty fought for and defended for the past 238 years. We have no choice if we honor our oaths.
The only proper response to this threat against the American people is for the representatives of the People, the members of the U.S. House and Senate, to demand in clear terms that the Administration cannot ignore, that the Department of Homeland Security immediately surrender their newly appropriated weapons of war to the Department of Defense (DoD). Further, since the DHS has assumed a position in the Administration to enforce the tyrannical acts of this president against the People of the United States against the limits of the United States Constitution, it remains for the United States Congress to exercise its limiting power in the balancing of powers established by our founding fathers, to disestablish and dissolve the DHS as soon as possible. One needs only to look to the rise of Adolf Hitler, and his associated DHS organizations, the SA and the SS, of 1932-1934, to see the outcome of allowing an agency of government this kind of control over the free citizens of a nation. The people of Germany could not have imagined, until it was too late, the danger of allowing a tyrant this kind of power. We must not be so naïve as to think it will not happen to us as well if we remain passive toward this power grab by the Marxist Obama administration!
Finally, for more than two centuries the nation has lived in peace at home because of the protections of our legitimate military and the many appropriate state and federal law enforcement agencies, supported by Constitutional courts. We stand today at a cross-road. Will we allow this present Administration to overthrow our United States Constitution and its legal processes to amend injustices, or, will we honor our obligations to defend the Constitution against a “domestic” enemy? Our Constitution lays out the proper methods of resolving our differences; and it does not include its overthrow by a rogue agency of a Marxist leadership at home. You, sir, are our constitutionally elected agent to defend our Constitution at home. We are counting upon you. We remain aware, however, of this present threat and will not expose ourselves as an easy prey to the authors of the destruction of our nation.
I know that this letter demands much of you. We elected you because we, the citizens of the State of Texas, believe that you are up to the task at hand and will, against all threats, honor your oath and office. We are also writing to your fellow members of the House and Senate to stand in integrity with the Constitution and against this present threat by the Obama administration and his DHS.
We refuse to surrender our Constitution or our nation!
Resolved,
Captain Terry M. Hestilow
United States Army, Retired
Fort Worth, Texas
March 23, 2013
Proud to have served for over 22 Years in the U.S. Navy Certificated FAA A&P technician since 1996
