Careful what you say

[baldeagle]

I got this from one of my Marine buddies.

When I had my gallbladder taken out and spent 10 days in the hospital. I had home nurse visits for two weeks and was asked if I had guns in the house. I respond that if I did I would not tell them. So the below has some merit.

FYI, I am passing this along... there are comments from two other people that have also been asked if they keep guns in the house. The nurse just kinda slipped it in along with all the other regular questions. I told her I refused to answer because it was against the law to ask.

Everyone, whether you have guns or not, should give a neutral answer so they have no idea who does and who doesn't. My doctor asked me if I had guns in my house and also if any were loaded. I, of course, answered yes to both questions. Then he asked why I kept a loaded gun close to my bed. I answered that my son, who is a certified gun instructor and also works for Homeland Security, advised me that an unloaded, locked up gun is no protection against criminal attack.

The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare, and probably everyone else.

Just passing this along for your information: I had to visit a doctor other than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation.. One of the questions on the form I had to fill out was: Do you have any guns in your house?? My answer was None of your damn business!!

So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or government intervention. Either way, it is out there and the second the government gets into your medical records (as they want to under Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimately result in lock and load!!

Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun owners... Thanks, from a Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: I had a doctors appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along. While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions: 1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone?

The nurse then informed me that if I had answered yes to any of the questions I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.

Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun people like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians, what argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner, veteran or not, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED !

If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on to them. Be very cautious about what you say and to whom.

If anyone asks me if I have guns in the house, I'm saying no. And I wouldn't go to the VA for healthcare if it was the last place left on earth. If you want to know what Obamacare will be like, go to the VA.

[texanjoker]

agreed...CPS will ask the same question.

[TexasGal]

Guns? Oh heavens No! What would an old lady like me do with guns?
But seriously, my own doctor is well aware of the government's interest in gathering such information and he says it is none of their "darn" business. He won't be asking any of those questions. If your doctor asks you, I'd get another doctor and quick.

[SewTexas]

there is a small part of me that is thankful my father-in-law is in heaven now....what has happened in the last 4 months would have put him there anyway and me trying to keep him quiet would have put me there

[RottenApple]

I got this from one of my Marine buddies.

When I had my gallbladder taken out and spent 10 days in the hospital. I had home nurse visits for two weeks and was asked if I had guns in the house. I respond that if I did I would not tell them. So the below has some merit.

FYI, I am passing this along... there are comments from two other people that have also been asked if they keep guns in the house. The nurse just kinda slipped it in along with all the other regular questions. I told her I refused to answer because it was against the law to ask. This is incorrect. It is illegal for medical personnel to be required (such as by the government or their employer) to ask and it is illegal for the patient to be required to answer, but it is not illegal for them to ask.

Everyone, whether you have guns or not, should give a neutral answer so they have no idea who does and who doesn't. My doctor asked me if I had guns in my house and also if any were loaded. I, of course, answered yes to both questions. Then he asked why I kept a loaded gun close to my bed. I answered that my son, who is a certified gun instructor and also works for Homeland Security, advised me that an unloaded, locked up gun is no protection against criminal attack. Fortunately I've only been asked once and I just flat out lied. "Nope. I don't own any guns." I slept like a baby that night too. To most people, giving an ambiguous answer is the same as saying yes. I've heard stories where people gave neutral answers and later found it was recorded as a "yes".

The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on Medicare, and probably everyone else. Again, this is incorrect. My wife is a home care nurse who deals with Medicare/Medicaid patients all day long. There is no such requirement for Medicare/Medicaid and, legally (not that the government cares what is legal or not) there cannot be. As for private insurers, that is a possibility, but the (UN)Affordable Care Act prohibits medical professionals from being required to ask and patients from being required to answer.

Just passing this along for your information: I had to visit a doctor other than my regular doctor when my doctor was on vacation.. One of the questions on the form I had to fill out was: Do you have any guns in your house?? My answer was None of your darn business!!

So it is out there! It is either an insurance issue or government intervention. Either way, it is out there and the second the government gets into your medical records (as they want to under Obamacare) it will become a major issue and will ultimately result in lock and load!!

Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun owners... Thanks, from a Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: I had a doctors appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very interesting that I would like to pass along. While going through triage before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three questions: 1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I feel like doing harm to someone? While Medicare/Medicaid/private insurance can not be required to ask (and patients to answer) about guns, I'm not sure about VA rules. This one could be tricky.

The nurse then informed me that if I had answered yes to any of the questions I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to Homeland Security.

Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun people like retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after the civilians, what argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware. The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner, veteran or not, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED !

If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on to them. Be very cautious about what you say and to whom.

If anyone asks me if I have guns in the house, I'm saying no. And I wouldn't go to the VA for healthcare if it was the last place left on earth. If you want to know what Obamacare will be like, go to the VA.

[KaiserB]

How interesting I received the same thing from my Chinese dry cleaner friend (who BTW forwards every email he receives without checking sources etc). This is SENSATIONAL!!!!!! :)

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[anygunanywhere]

So, would "Kiss my what!" be counted as a yes?

Anygunanywhere

[frreed]

How interesting I received the same thing from my Chinese dry cleaner friend (who BTW forwards every email he receives without checking sources etc). This is SENSATIONAL!!!!!! :)

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This is not sensational. I took my son in for his annual physical last July and his pediatrician had the standard health questionnaire. It asked if there were guns in the household. I don't know if it is the great conspiracy to gain knowledge of who has guns, but the question is being asked.

[baldeagle]

How interesting I received the same thing from my Chinese dry cleaner friend (who BTW forwards every email he receives without checking sources etc). This is SENSATIONAL!!!!!! :)

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Your Chinese dry cleaner was a reliable source for that other one. Perhaps he was for this as well. Maybe you should check?

[RottenApple]

How interesting I received the same thing from my Chinese dry cleaner friend (who BTW forwards every email he receives without checking sources etc). This is SENSATIONAL!!!!!! :)

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As does my Rabbi. but it has been reported in several media outlets that its illegal for medical professionals to ask about guns. It's also been reported that its not, that you have to answer, and that you have to answer truthfully. It doesn't surprise me that people don't know what the law really says. After all, they had to pass it in order to read it.

Being sarcastic doesn't really help. We need to be good ambassadors and help educate them. It's the only way to return this country to its roots without resorting to the bullet box (which may end up happening anyway).

[mamabearCali]

How interesting I received the same thing from my Chinese dry cleaner friend (who BTW forwards every email he receives without checking sources etc). This is SENSATIONAL!!!!!! :)

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As does my Rabbi. but it has been reported in several media outlets that its illegal for medical professionals to ask about guns. It's also been reported that its not, that you have to answer, and that you have to answer truthfully. It doesn't surprise me that people don't know what the law really says. After all, they had to pass it in order to read it.

Being sarcastic doesn't really help. We need to be good ambassadors and help educate them. It's the only way to return this country to its roots without resorting to the bullet box (which may end up happening anyway).

I take no oath to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to my MD. They are there to preform a service at my request. They are not there to interrogate me. Questions outside their jurisdiction will be met with answers that bear little resemblance to the truth.

[bdickens]

Pfft.

[RottenApple]

I take no oath to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to my MD. They are there to preform a service at my request. They are not there to interrogate me. Questions outside their jurisdiction will be met with answers that bear little resemblance to the truth.

I don't disagree, ma'am. Read my post above. I'm the one who suggested (and have done so) flat out lying to 'em.

In regards to educating & being good ambassadors, I was referencing KaiserB's sarcastic (but mildly amusing) post and referring to people like the OP's friend who sent that letter.

[SewTexas]

How interesting I received the same thing from my Chinese dry cleaner friend (who BTW forwards every email he receives without checking sources etc). This is SENSATIONAL!!!!!! :)

viewtopic.php?f=94&t=63425#p778432" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As does my Rabbi. but it has been reported in several media outlets that its illegal for medical professionals to ask about guns. It's also been reported that its not, that you have to answer, and that you have to answer truthfully. It doesn't surprise me that people don't know what the law really says. After all, they had to pass it in order to read it.

Being sarcastic doesn't really help. We need to be good ambassadors and help educate them. It's the only way to return this country to its roots without resorting to the bullet box (which may end up happening anyway).

I take no oath to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to my MD. They are there to preform a service at my request. They are not there to interrogate me. Questions outside their jurisdiction will be met with answers that bear little resemblance to the truth.

we have agreed as a family to say that we have guns and they are in the safe....truth is they are not all in the safe, we've out grown the safe and we don't keep our carry guns in the safe, we have and older teen and an adult teen and no longer feel the need to "safetify" everything. they both know where the guns are and how to protect themselves if we can't get to them.

[RottenApple]

we have agreed as a family to say that we have guns and they are in the safe....truth is they are not all in the safe, we've out grown the safe and we don't keep our carry guns in the safe, we have and older teen and an adult teen and no longer feel the need to "safetify" everything. they both know where the guns are and how to protect themselves if we can't get to them.

It's funny that y'all have discussed this as a family. My wife, kids, and I did as well. Both kids understand that this is one of the few times where lying is completely acceptable and they will not be punished for it. Occasionally I'll randomly ask, "do you have guns in the house?" or "do your parents own any guns?". I either get an immediate "no sir" or a puzzled look followed by the same answer. My kiddos are well trained.