This morning's Stuart Varney interview with Wayne LaPierre

[mojo84]

Was watching Wayne LaPierre on Varney & Co. this morning and I saw something I have seen several times that concerns me. Mr. LaPierre is doing great work and is under a tremendous amount of pressure during these stressful times. However, I have seen him several times miss an opportunity to correct a myth, lie or misunderstanding spoken by an interviewer or someone with whom he is debating.

This morning Varney was talking to LaPierre about "universal background checks". In a moment of trying to clarify the issue Varney said some to the effect of you mean I can go into a gun show and purchase a gun without having my background checked? Not an exact quote. In my mind, that is a half-truth that leads to the exaggerated myth that there is this great gun show loophole that allows anyone to go purchase a gun at a gun show from anyone without having to submit to a background check. This just isn't so and I think it needs to be better addressed rather than moving on to talking about the other flaws in the NICS checking system. Here's the link to the video. Would like to hear your thoughts.

http://foxbusiness.com/on-air/varney-co ... t_id=87060

Even Varney mentioned at the very end that he doesn't think the our message is being clearly heard.

[2firfun50]

Was watching Wayne LaPierre on Varney & Co. this morning and I saw something I have seen several times that concerns me. Mr. LaPierre is doing great work and is under a tremendous amount of pressure during these stressful times. However, I have seen him several times miss an opportunity to correct a myth, lie or misunderstanding spoken by an interviewer or someone with whom he is debating.

This morning Varney was talking to LaPierre about "universal background checks". In a moment of trying to clarify the issue Varney said some to the effect of you mean I can go into a gun show and purchase a gun without having my background checked? Not an exact quote. In my mind, that is a half-truth that leads to the exaggerated myth that there is this great gun show loophole that allows anyone to go purchase a gun at a gun show from anyone without having to submit to a background check. This just isn't so and I think it needs to be better addressed rather than moving on to talking about the other flaws in the NICS checking system. Here's the link to the video. Would like to hear your thoughts.

http://foxbusiness.com/on-air/varney-co ... t_id=87060

Even Varney mentioned at the very end that he doesn't think the our message is being clearly heard.

I was at the Lewisville gun show yesterday. Between the 'walkers" and "private collection" sellers, given enough cash, I could have equipped a squad with never a question asked. The anti's see this too. Just sayin'.

[Keith B]

Was watching Wayne LaPierre on Varney & Co. this morning and I saw something I have seen several times that concerns me. Mr. LaPierre is doing great work and is under a tremendous amount of pressure during these stressful times. However, I have seen him several times miss an opportunity to correct a myth, lie or misunderstanding spoken by an interviewer or someone with whom he is debating.

This morning Varney was talking to LaPierre about "universal background checks". In a moment of trying to clarify the issue Varney said some to the effect of you mean I can go into a gun show and purchase a gun without having my background checked? Not an exact quote. In my mind, that is a half-truth that leads to the exaggerated myth that there is this great gun show loophole that allows anyone to go purchase a gun at a gun show from anyone without having to submit to a background check. This just isn't so and I think it needs to be better addressed rather than moving on to talking about the other flaws in the NICS checking system. Here's the link to the video. Would like to hear your thoughts.

http://foxbusiness.com/on-air/varney-co ... t_id=87060

Even Varney mentioned at the very end that he doesn't think the our message is being clearly heard.

I was at the Lewisville gun show yesterday. Between the 'walkers" and "private collection" sellers, given enough cash, I could have equipped a squad with never a question asked. The anti's see this too. Just sayin'.

I know there are some private sellers that have a Don't Ask, Don't Tell' policy, but not all. I have purchased several guns from individuals and have always shown them my CHL and/or filled out a bill of sale for the item.

[RoyGBiv]

I was at the Lewisville gun show yesterday. Between the 'walkers" and "private collection" sellers, given enough cash, I could have equipped a squad with never a question asked. The anti's see this too. Just sayin'.

I don't see a way through the current legislative push that doesn't include "fixing" this "problem".
The question remaining is how to "fix" it with minimal damage.

[mojo84]

Any idea what the percentage of sales at gun shows that are not subject to background checks? If it is a high percentage then maybe it should be addressed.

Isn't there a law that requires someone that trades s certain number of vehicles during a year to obtain a dealers license?

[jimlongley]

As usual, the interviewee was not given the chance to complete his response before the interviewer rudely interrupted and essentially changed the subject. I wayne had been able to, he probably could have gotten the exposure of the lie out, but Varney wanted to pursue the other points, and then snuck his little zinger in at the end.

[rotor]

Didn't watch the show. About 8 months ago I bought a Browning 22 pistol at a gun show from an individual that had a booth. I had to be quite insistent to get his name and address and get a receipt which showed my name and address. I did not have chl at the time. As long as I had cash he was selling. Am I honest, yes? Is everyone honest? No. The fact that I now have a chl and could show it as proof of good status is one issue. Is this the loophole that they are talking about? Yes. How to correct it though without having to go through a FFL dealer I don't know. I know you all will chop my head off but technically this is a way for the nuts to get a gun. I purchased another gun at Academy and they did instant check. Would I want to sell a gun to just anyone. No. So, rant and rave about this issue I think that the left will get something passed which none of us will like and make it very hard for private citizens to sell to other private citizens, even if we know them and know they are honest people.

[gemini]

As far as I know , none, 0, zip, of the guns used in any of the recent shootings were acquired
through illegal sales. They were bought at/from FFL dealers, legally. Gun Show sales had absolutely
nothing to do with any of the "crazies" having access to firearms. If anyone presents real proof that
an individual or collection vendor at a Gun Show has sold to, or been involved with recent shootings
please enlighten me. Otherwise, please quit shouting wolf or the sky is falling. And, those that say they
support the 2A but, .... don't.

[jimlongley]

Didn't watch the show. About 8 months ago I bought a Browning 22 pistol at a gun show from an individual that had a booth. I had to be quite insistent to get his name and address and get a receipt which showed my name and address. I did not have chl at the time. As long as I had cash he was selling. Am I honest, yes? Is everyone honest? No. The fact that I now have a chl and could show it as proof of good status is one issue. Is this the loophole that they are talking about? Yes. How to correct it though without having to go through a FFL dealer I don't know. I know you all will chop my head off but technically this is a way for the nuts to get a gun. I purchased another gun at Academy and they did instant check. Would I want to sell a gun to just anyone. No. So, rant and rave about this issue I think that the left will get something passed which none of us will like and make it very hard for private citizens to sell to other private citizens, even if we know them and know they are honest people.

He was a private individual displaying his collection and offering some pieces for sale or trade, right? Then no loophole. If he was a dealer, then he violated federal law.

[longtooth]

A few facts the young need to know & those of age need to remember that have been LONG forgotten.

When "Gun Shows" were born it was always for the locals who had NO Federal Firearms License.
Participants knew many of the other sellers & those that walked in were most often local too. VERY SMALL compared to today.

I well remember the lobbying of the FFL dealers (I remember many of us calling it whinning) to get the law changed from "in store only sales" so they could go to the gun shows for profit.
When the law was changed I remember the next & still sometimes complaint. "We have to charge & collect tax & cant compete. Private gun shows are taking sales away from businesses."

Did not matter that this was very seldom true. It is a RARE occasion w/ any product that used product sales take away from new product sales.

In the days of old when Lady Liberty still stood unembarrased by the king, those private citizens in general did not "buy guns to sell for profit at the next gun show" but went to sell something not used any more, trade something the son had outgrown for an upgrade, buy for the ones ready to start hunting/shooting......
Very rare for those transactions to yield $$$profit. True no private seller/trader can afford to loose substantial money like that.
I can assure everyone if it had not been for early gunshows as they were my son would have not had NEAR the arms he shot as a kid. No way for us to ever have afforded them new.
As a kid I was given my 1st rifle by my folks. After that I bought my own & remember WELL my 1st "new firearm purchase" It was when I was in college working for "Howards Discount" when they were going out of business. I bought a couple then at their clearance prices. I was well over 30.

Enter FFLs to the gunshow arena. Now BIG business. Tables furnished (that had previously been brought by the private sellers) & spot rent went way up forcing many private sellers to not be able to do it any more. (my oppinion-exactly what many FFLs wanted) Many places started charging for parking. Very few gunshows today are parking free.

Only after the big business of gun shows became well established did the still very few verifiable problems of illegal buys/sales start to take place.

Most certainly not for many folks today but for this old, very simple minded, RedNeck CountryBoy, I find a VERY GOOD argument for the problems at gun shows today being at the feet of the FFLs & not the private sellers.
Jerry W. Young
aka LT

[RoyGBiv]

Didn't watch the show. About 8 months ago I bought a Browning 22 pistol at a gun show from an individual that had a booth. I had to be quite insistent to get his name and address and get a receipt which showed my name and address. I did not have chl at the time. As long as I had cash he was selling. Am I honest, yes? Is everyone honest? No. The fact that I now have a chl and could show it as proof of good status is one issue. Is this the loophole that they are talking about? Yes. How to correct it though without having to go through a FFL dealer I don't know. I know you all will chop my head off but technically this is a way for the nuts to get a gun. I purchased another gun at Academy and they did instant check. Would I want to sell a gun to just anyone. No. So, rant and rave about this issue I think that the left will get something passed which none of us will like and make it very hard for private citizens to sell to other private citizens, even if we know them and know they are honest people.

No ranting from me... I agree with you.
If we are not part of solving this, it will be "solved" for us in an unfavorable way.

There are two goals as I see it..
1. Keeping guns out of the hands of those who should not possess them and
2. Avoiding a de-facto registration.

I've read several ideas folks have presented in this forum for accomplishing this. It's also been done before at the State level.

When I lived in NC, the law required that I obtain a "purchase permit" from my local Sheriff. One permit ($5 cost) allowed me to purchase one handgun (IIRC, long guns were exempt from this process). If I was buying from a dealer, I gave them the permit. If it was a private sale, I gave them the permit and they had to keep it, ostensibly forever. The system had flaws and convenience issues, certainly, but for $5 the seller got peace of mind that the buyer was legit. The most glaring hole was the the buyer had no way of knowing whether the purchased weapon was stolen or ....

It would not be difficult to design a low-cost system for checking both the buyer and the gun. Provide "good buyer" paperwork that a buyer can give to a seller, and a "good weapon" receipt that a seller can give to a buyer. Each one is responsible for keeping the record, but no registry is created.

I am not suggesting I WANT this.... but if we can trade this for something useful to us (repeal NFA, national reciprocity, etc.) it might be something we can live with that actually does some (small) good, and we can get something useful in return.