pbandjelly wrote:so, only YOU'RE allowed to carry....
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I edited it.
you.
from your post, you give the impression that you can defend yourself, but the repairman has no business being able to defend himself.
? hmm.
if you're worried about it at YOUR home, post the sign, or give notice to them as they enter.
but drawing down on someone who has given you NO reason to respond, well, you may as well be signing your name to the Brady Bill, cause that's how that's going to look in the newspapers.
you.
from your post, you give the impression that you can defend yourself, but the repairman has no business being able to defend himself.
? hmm.
if you're worried about it at YOUR home, post the sign, or give notice to them as they enter.
but drawing down on someone who has given you NO reason to respond, well, you may as well be signing your name to the Brady Bill, cause that's how that's going to look in the newspapers.
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There are only two reasons a person would be carrying a concealed weapon.
1. LEO
2. CHL holder - Note the first letter of the abbreviation - C = CONCEALED
If he is a LEO, say who has a side business as a plumber, he has no business carrying open while not in direct execution of his OFFICIAL duties as a LEO.
The only way for a repairman to be legal is to be a CHL holder. If I see his weapon, he broke the law or at the very least made a BIG mistake, either in decision to carry in my home or in his methods of concealment.... Remember, this is in my home. MY HOME, My castle, my abode, my whatever...
It would never hit the papers unless we danced. If he is legal, I buy the guy a beer and/or buy him some ammo. If he is not, there is another win for CHL's in Texas...
I apologize if this is not the popular opinion around here, but you know what they say opinions are like......
1. LEO
2. CHL holder - Note the first letter of the abbreviation - C = CONCEALED
If he is a LEO, say who has a side business as a plumber, he has no business carrying open while not in direct execution of his OFFICIAL duties as a LEO.
The only way for a repairman to be legal is to be a CHL holder. If I see his weapon, he broke the law or at the very least made a BIG mistake, either in decision to carry in my home or in his methods of concealment.... Remember, this is in my home. MY HOME, My castle, my abode, my whatever...
It would never hit the papers unless we danced. If he is legal, I buy the guy a beer and/or buy him some ammo. If he is not, there is another win for CHL's in Texas...
I apologize if this is not the popular opinion around here, but you know what they say opinions are like......
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There's a story missing here about the one-half time. You gotta tell us someday.jimlongley wrote:As someone who spent 28 years going into people's homes as a telephone repairman and who was "attacked" one and a half times, I see no problem with carry into people's homes...
I can't speak from experience, because I pretty much know what positions I'm likely to get in at any given outing, and dress accordingly. But I think I'll join CWOOD and his nomination of a deep-conceal undershirt. The pocket holster would probably come in number two, but if I were to be on the floor, trying to roll into a position to take a wrench to kitchen plumbing, for example, I could see anything on or near the hip getting in the way.
The undershirt I have is a 5.11 (http://www.511tactical.com/index.asp?dl ... mber=40021) and also holds the gun on one side and spare mag on the other up tight to the chest, and has velcro closures to make sure nothing comes sliding out unintentionally. It sure isn't the fastest way to deploy a firearm, but nothing gets in the way bending, squatting, kneeling, reaching, or leveraging yourself around on the floor. With a sturdy, loose workshirt over the top, nobody will know but you and your bathroom mirror...
And for me, if I set an appointment with a service technician to come into my home, I view it has having invited him (or her) inside just as I would any other expected guest. I'll be armed, and I have no problem if he's legally armed, as well. I respect his right to be prepared. If anything strikes me as strange once he gets there, I can always invoke my legal right to tell him to disarm and leave his weapon in his truck. So far, I've never felt the need to do that. YMMV.
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****and there it is, I knew it******BrassMonkey wrote:If a repairman came into my home and was carrying and I had no idea. So be it. If I see it while he is inside my home, I am disarming him at gunpoint until he produces a valid CHL and/or my PD shows up. Of course, Panic button is getting pressed before I draw on him. If everything is on the up and up, fine, he can carry, but look at how much time we just wasted and he will probably get fired for being a liability if his boss finds out.
You don't mess around in people homes, especially strangers...
My sign says, "We don't call 911"
Really? I call that panic. Perhaps you need a course or two to calm you down.
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Actually, an inadverdent flash is not illegal.BrassMonkey wrote:There are only two reasons a person would be carrying a concealed weapon.
1. LEO
2. CHL holder - Note the first letter of the abbreviation - C = CONCEALED
You clearly don't know the law. A LEO can carry ANYTIME, ANYWHERE off-duty.If he is a LEO, say who has a side business as a plumber, he has no business carrying open while not in direct execution of his OFFICIAL duties as a LEO.
don't be so sure. If I was a repairman in your home, and you saw my firearm and pointed a gun at me I would shoot you. Period. If for some reason I couldn't, I would file on you for deadly conduct, at the very least. I would also sue you from here to eternity.The only way for a repairman to be legal is to be a CHL holder. If I see his weapon, he broke the law or at the very least made a BIG mistake, either in decision to carry in my home or in his methods of concealment.... Remember, this is in my home. MY HOME, My castle, my abode, my whatever...
It would never hit the papers unless we danced. If he is legal, I buy the guy a beer and/or buy him some ammo. If he is not, there is another win for CHL's in Texas...
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pbandjelly
werd.
oh, and just for measure, Oh Monkey of the Brass, you are wrong.
noticing someone has a gun is not "failure to conceal."
He might be hassled by the cops, if one were to see it, but as evidenced by an aforementioned case, simply seeing it is not an intended thing.
and by you pulling your gun, whether you point it at him or not, you HAVE INITIATED deadly force.
how?
by the THREAT of deadly force. if you are not legally able to use force, or deadly force, you cannot use the threat of either.
"Ah sawl his guhn!!!!" is not a defense from prosecution, IIRC from the TPC.
go look it up, and have a nice day.
oh, and just for measure, Oh Monkey of the Brass, you are wrong.
noticing someone has a gun is not "failure to conceal."
He might be hassled by the cops, if one were to see it, but as evidenced by an aforementioned case, simply seeing it is not an intended thing.
and by you pulling your gun, whether you point it at him or not, you HAVE INITIATED deadly force.
how?
by the THREAT of deadly force. if you are not legally able to use force, or deadly force, you cannot use the threat of either.
"Ah sawl his guhn!!!!" is not a defense from prosecution, IIRC from the TPC.
go look it up, and have a nice day.
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Agreed on count 1.
Agreed after further review of statutes on count 2.
Perhaps on count 3, but that is why God created attorneys :-)
Agreed after further review of statutes on count 2.
Perhaps on count 3, but that is why God created attorneys :-)
txinvestigator wrote:Actually, an inadverdent flash is not illegal.BrassMonkey wrote:There are only two reasons a person would be carrying a concealed weapon.
1. LEO
2. CHL holder - Note the first letter of the abbreviation - C = CONCEALED
You clearly don't know the law. A LEO can carry ANYTIME, ANYWHERE off-duty.If he is a LEO, say who has a side business as a plumber, he has no business carrying open while not in direct execution of his OFFICIAL duties as a LEO.
don't be so sure. If I was a repairman in your home, and you saw my firearm and pointed a gun at me I would shoot you. Period. If for some reason I couldn't, I would file on you for deadly conduct, at the very least. I would also sue you from here to eternity.The only way for a repairman to be legal is to be a CHL holder. If I see his weapon, he broke the law or at the very least made a BIG mistake, either in decision to carry in my home or in his methods of concealment.... Remember, this is in my home. MY HOME, My castle, my abode, my whatever...
It would never hit the papers unless we danced. If he is legal, I buy the guy a beer and/or buy him some ammo. If he is not, there is another win for CHL's in Texas...
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I do PC, laptop, network, and printer service. Occasionally, I visit homes and home businesses.
I would NEVER, NOT ONCE, NOT EVER, enter someone's home for a service call without carrying my personal protection device (AKA, Glock). You just never know what kind of situation you are getting into when you go into someone's home.
Now that we have established that, I believe the original question was "how to carry?".
It is really, really difficult to stay concealed and comfortable while crawling around on the floor, under desks, etc. I seldom carry "on body" in that situation. I just drop it into my laptop bag or tool bag. The velcro holster that came with my Coronado Leather purse works just as well in the tool bag as in the purse. And the bag is never out of my reach when I am working.
Brass Monkey, if that makes you uncomfortable, then you have to figure out how you are going to handle that. Personally, if you answer the door armed when I come to your house for a service call, I am probably going to make a hasty excuse to be somewhere else.
I would NEVER, NOT ONCE, NOT EVER, enter someone's home for a service call without carrying my personal protection device (AKA, Glock). You just never know what kind of situation you are getting into when you go into someone's home.
Now that we have established that, I believe the original question was "how to carry?".
It is really, really difficult to stay concealed and comfortable while crawling around on the floor, under desks, etc. I seldom carry "on body" in that situation. I just drop it into my laptop bag or tool bag. The velcro holster that came with my Coronado Leather purse works just as well in the tool bag as in the purse. And the bag is never out of my reach when I am working.
Brass Monkey, if that makes you uncomfortable, then you have to figure out how you are going to handle that. Personally, if you answer the door armed when I come to your house for a service call, I am probably going to make a hasty excuse to be somewhere else.
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