Western NY Tries To Fight Back

[lrpettit]

Not likely to do much good but at least they are trying.
https://www.facebook.com/Tom.Bauerle/po ... 4172885222

[mr surveyor]

I don't do the fb thing....want to add a bit of insight into what you are posting about?

[lrpettit]

BREAKING.

Rec'd from GOP Erie County, NY legislators.

A RESOLUTION TO BE SUBMITTED BY LEGISLATORS

EDWARD A. RATH, III
JOHN J. MILLS
KEVIN R. HARDWICK
LYNNE M. DIXON
JOSEPH C. LORIGO

Re: Opposing the New York SAFE Act of 2013

WHEREAS, on January 14, 2013, the NY SAFE (Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement) Act of 2013 was introduced to the New York State Assembly and Senate; and

WHEREAS, the New York State Senate passed the thirty-nine page overhaul of the state’s gun law the same day, while the assembly considered the bill a few more hours before passing it on January 15, 2013; and

WHEREAS, the Governor signed the bill into law the same day, on January 15, 2013; and

WHEREAS, the celerity of passage of this law is remarkable for the state legislature and Governor, though lamentably not admirable in this particular instance; and

WHEREAS, although certain aspects of the law appear to be thoughtful approaches to reduce instances of gun violence involving New Yorker’s, others appear to be knee-jerk reactions made without the benefit of appropriate contemplation at best, or, at worst, disingenuous fee grabs cloaked as security measures; and

WHEREAS, the Webster provision’s stiffer penalties for individuals who murder first responders in the course of their duties is appropriate and overdue; and

WHEREAS, the provision protecting information about registered gun owners is an effective way to reduce information to individuals who seek to commit crimes against an individual because of his or her status as gun owner, or not having the protection provided by a gun; and

WHEREAS, the provisions addressing mental health appear to be thoughtful efforts to address individuals who may use a weapon for illegal and violent purposes; and

WHEREAS, similarly, the safe storage provisions appear to be measures to keep weapons away from individuals who are shown to be more likely to use weapons for illegal and violent purposes, as well the provisions giving judges discretion to require surrender of a weapon by a person against whom an order of protection is granted; and

WHEREAS, the provision prohibiting the possession of a gun on a school bus or on school grounds without the written authorization of the school appears to be an effective way to separate children from guns, although probably not from people who seek to use guns for illegal and violent purposes; and

WHEREAS, unfortunately, the tougher assault weapons ban is overly inclusive and ineffective at reducing gun violence by individuals who use guns legally; and

WHEREAS, for example, the Remington 870, classic pump-action shotgun, a very common shotgun used by sportsmen, can be interpreted to fit the new definition of “assault weapon;” and

WHEREAS, further, unlike other provisions, this particular provision does not focus on individuals who use, or are a substantial threat to use, guns illegally and for violent purposes ; and
WHEREAS, also, reducing the ammunition magazine size from ten to seven does little to reduce gun violence by individuals using guns illegally, and nothing to reduce gun violence by law abiding gun owners; and

WHEREAS, similarly, statewide recertification of handguns does not reduce the use of guns by individuals who seek to use them illegally; and

WHEREAS, rather, it has the appearance of being an effort by New York State government to fill its coffers with increased fees, without providing for a mechanism to fund county clerks to accommodate the increased workload resulting from this law; and

WHEREAS, the Second Amendment, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed,” continues to be a part of the United States Constitution; and

WHEREAS, New York’s SAFE Act appears to contain provisions which infringe upon the Second Amendment rights of its people; and

WHEREAS, as such, the New York SAFE Act should be repealed, revisited, carefully considered, revised and implemented in a manner that is respectful of the Second Amendment rights of New Yorkers.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT

RESOLVED, that the Erie County Legislature hereby supports repeal and revision of the New York SAFE Act of 2013; and be it further

RESOLVED, that a certified copy of this resolution be forwarded to Governor Andrew Cuomo, Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, Senate Majority Leaders Dean Skelos and Jeffrey Klein and the local delegation to the New York State Legislature.

Fiscal Impact: None.

[anygunanywhere]

That will show'em.

I guess it is a start.


Anygunanywhere

[RottenApple]

That will show'em.

I guess it is a start.


Anygunanywhere

Serious question (not a snark): If our elected officials aren't listening to We The People (and we all know they aren't), how else are we to get their attention w/o armed revolution?

Don't get me wrong, I know that this and all the "arrest the feds" laws passed in several states aren't constitutional. And I really don't want to have to fight with our government. But what else can we do?

[lrpettit]

That will show'em.

I guess it is a start.


Anygunanywhere

Serious question (not a snark): If our elected officials aren't listening to We The People (and we all know they aren't), how else are we to get their attention w/o armed revolution?

Don't get me wrong, I know that this and all the "arrest the feds" laws passed in several states aren't constitutional. And I really don't want to have to fight with our government. But what else can we do?

The correct answer would be to get involved politically and persuade constituents to elect people who are responsive. The trouble is there are too many people who are willing to surrender their rights for a little perceived safety. Maybe we should all become "community organizers".

[mamabearCali]

That will show'em.

I guess it is a start.


Anygunanywhere

Serious question (not a snark): If our elected officials aren't listening to We The People (and we all know they aren't), how else are we to get their attention w/o armed revolution?

Don't get me wrong, I know that this and all the "arrest the feds" laws passed in several states aren't constitutional. And I really don't want to have to fight with our government. But what else can we do?

In this case, vote with your feet. If a state passes such illegal legislation, and yet will not listen to the people the we are left with one option, leave. Deprive them of your taxes and your prescence. If it was VA doing this I would be telling my husband to strt looking for work elsewhere. TX would be ideal, Montana is good, Wyoming would be ok too.

[DEB]

I really feel for those individuals at the tip of the spear now. Never thought it would be New Yorkers and Californians, but it is. Kind of seems like they are way behind enemy lines and we are just watching them be eliminated; kind of like what I imagine the soldiers in Corrigidor/Bataan felt during WWII. Where the writing is on the wall and they have no recourse but to fight on as best they can until the end. My prayers are with them and I hope our Texas leaders are watching their bravery, as well as drafting plans for our fight that's coming. I read where we must vote and get out the vote. But, we do and Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, vote Republican/Conservative. Still we lose and watch how our rights and values continue to erode. Yankee states with those large cities control the direction of this country, their values do not equal our values, we don't even worship or practice our religion in the same manner, we generally have a better work ethic and we provide the most combat soldiers. They tend to eat and want more free food. While seeking how best they can mitigate our values through denigrating us as unwashed rednecks, gunowners, and Christians. This while they push values that are directly in obverse of ours. They own the media, the Universities and the schools, but they are always saying how they are not the establishment? I read somewhere that there is a Civil War that is ongoing and it is being fought by the Lawyers and Judges. Our side is outnumbered and I can only watch as the Socialist and Atheist tide comes ever closer. My take only, see I am also politically correct

[K.Mooneyham]

I really feel for those individuals at the tip of the spear now. Never thought it would be New Yorkers and Californians, but it is. Kind of seems like they are way behind enemy lines and we are just watching them be eliminated; kind of like what I imagine the soldiers in Corrigidor/Bataan felt during WWII. Where the writing is on the wall and they have no recourse but to fight on as best they can until the end. My prayers are with them and I hope our Texas leaders are watching their bravery, as well as drafting plans for our fight that's coming. I read where we must vote and get out the vote. But, we do and Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, vote Republican/Conservative. Still we lose and watch how our rights and values continue to erode. Yankee states with those large cities control the direction of this country, their values do not equal our values, we don't even worship or practice our religion in the same manner, we generally have a better work ethic and we provide the most combat soldiers. They tend to eat and want more free food. While seeking how best they can mitigate our values through denigrating us as unwashed rednecks, gunowners, and Christians. This while they push values that are directly in obverse of ours. They own the media, the Universities and the schools, but they are always saying how they are not the establishment? I read somewhere that there is a Civil War that is ongoing and it is being fought by the Lawyers and Judges. Our side is outnumbered and I can only watch as the Socialist and Atheist tide comes ever closer. My take only, see I am also politically correct

The liberal-progressives/leftists win because WE (speaking of conservatives and libertarians in general) still care about what is said about us...we don't want "people" to think we are such things as racists, bigots, homophobes, gun-nuts, hillbillies, religious nuts, etc, etc, etc. On that score, I don't care anymore. Them calling me a name just shows that they are broken in their core, that they will destroy anyone who disagrees with them, and that all of their talk about tolerance is nothing more than that, talk. Until WE give up hope that they are going to "respect" us if we just act a little nicer, then we will continue to lose. We have to take the fight to them...I'm not saying I'm any sort of expert in the very least, but just taking the beating and laying down ain't going to put any marks in the win column for us, I do know that.

[anygunanywhere]

And I really don't want to have to fight with our government. But what else can we do?

I dunno, I'm actually spoiling for a fight.

Only the right scratch will cure the itch.

Anygunanywhere