Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument Ever

As the name indicates, this is the place for gun-related political discussions. It is not open to other political topics.

Moderators: carlson1, Charles L. Cotton

Post Reply
User avatar

Topic author
baldeagle
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 5240
Joined: Tue May 25, 2010 8:26 pm
Location: Richardson, TX

Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument Ever

#1

Post by baldeagle »

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... er/272734/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
But as we debate the role of firearms in our society, it makes no sense to be sidetracked by the impossible and dangerous idea that a heavily armed citizenry is the ultimate safeguard of liberty in America.
Impossible, he says, because the US military is so powerful. His argument ignores the manifest difficulties the US military has had in Afghanistan as well as the fact that the armed citizenry of the US vastly outnumbers the military, some of whom would not be willing to fire on their own countrymen.

And where does this guy teach?
Mark Nuckols teaches at the Lomonosov Moscow State University Business School and at the Russian Academy of National Economy and Public Administration.
Yeah, that's a guy I want lecturing me on the US Constitution and the rights of citizens.
The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation where the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. James Madison
NRA Life Member Texas Firearms Coalition member
User avatar

jmra
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 10371
Joined: Tue Feb 03, 2009 6:51 am
Location: Ellis County

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#2

Post by jmra »

If the king ever decided to use the military against the citizens he will find he has a much smaller army than he thought.
Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.
John Wayne
NRA Lifetime member

mamabearCali
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 2214
Joined: Mon Feb 07, 2011 4:14 pm
Location: Chesterfield, VA

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#3

Post by mamabearCali »

forget our own army...our citizen militia makes it darn near impossible for other countries to invade! Think China does not want a slice of our lovely fertile grasslands...think again...but they can't have it right now, because behind every blade of grass there is a rifle.
SAHM to four precious children. Wife to a loving husband.

"The women of this country learned long ago those without swords can still die upon them!" Eowyn in LOTR Two Towers
User avatar

Wodathunkit
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 895
Joined: Mon Nov 26, 2012 11:18 am
Location: Friendswood, Texas

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#4

Post by Wodathunkit »

I think the number I heard was 1,000,000 active duty troops, that math doesn't bode well for D.C.
"Character is doing the right thing, even when nobody is looking" - J.C. watts Jr.
CHL since Jan. 2013
53 days mailbox to mailbox.

Andrew

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#5

Post by Andrew »

Mark Nuckols, biz degree at Tufts, jd at Georgetown, CEO Hufu, ridiculously smart, without the common sense given to a fly. Totally amoral, there is a reason he is teaching in the former CCCP.

Taurus.40
Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 132
Joined: Sun Dec 23, 2012 1:04 am
Location: Vidor,Texas

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#6

Post by Taurus.40 »

Wodathunkit wrote:I think the number I heard was 1,000,000 active duty troops, that math doesn't bode well for D.C.
And Texas has roughly 30 million residents.
NRA member

Jeff Barriault
Member
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 98
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:59 pm
Location: Santa Fe
Contact:

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#7

Post by Jeff Barriault »

He should study a little Russian history. I seem to remember seeing tanks with flowers in the barrels shortly after they tried to turn their military against the citizens. It seems to me that was pretty much the end of the Soviet Union.

K.Mooneyham
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 2574
Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:27 pm
Location: Vernon, Texas

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#8

Post by K.Mooneyham »

Many of those who are commenting on that article and backing the author seem to believe that the Armed Forces of the USA would willingly drop bombs on American cities and towns and machinegun American citizens in the streets. I do not hold with that opinion in the very least.

Jeff Barriault
Member
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 98
Joined: Sat Apr 23, 2011 6:59 pm
Location: Santa Fe
Contact:

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#9

Post by Jeff Barriault »

K.Mooneyham wrote:Many of those who are commenting on that article and backing the author seem to believe that the Armed Forces of the USA would willingly drop bombs on American cities and towns and machinegun American citizens in the streets. I do not hold with that opinion in the very least.
??? I don't think a single person in the posts above "backed" the author. In fact, I think everyone said, in one way or another, exactly the same thing you just said.
User avatar

Topic author
baldeagle
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 2
Posts: 5240
Joined: Tue May 25, 2010 8:26 pm
Location: Richardson, TX

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#10

Post by baldeagle »

Jeff Barriault wrote:
K.Mooneyham wrote:Many of those who are commenting on that article and backing the author seem to believe that the Armed Forces of the USA would willingly drop bombs on American cities and towns and machinegun American citizens in the streets. I do not hold with that opinion in the very least.
??? I don't think a single person in the posts above "backed" the author. In fact, I think everyone said, in one way or another, exactly the same thing you just said.
I believe he's referring to the comments in the article, not the comments here.
The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation where the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. James Madison
NRA Life Member Texas Firearms Coalition member
User avatar

suthdj
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 2296
Joined: Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:49 pm
Location: North Ft Worth(Alliance area)

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#11

Post by suthdj »

K.Mooneyham wrote:Many of those who are commenting on that article and backing the author seem to believe that the Armed Forces of the USA would willingly drop bombs on American cities and towns and machinegun American citizens in the streets. I do not hold with that opinion in the very least.
Battle of Blair Mountain, Ruby Ridge, Waco. Most won't but there those who will blindly follow.
21-Apr-09 filed online
05-Sep-09 Plastic Arrived
09-Sep-13 Plastic Arrived
21-june-18 Plasic Arrived

K.Mooneyham
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 2574
Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:27 pm
Location: Vernon, Texas

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#12

Post by K.Mooneyham »

baldeagle wrote:
Jeff Barriault wrote:
K.Mooneyham wrote:Many of those who are commenting on that article and backing the author seem to believe that the Armed Forces of the USA would willingly drop bombs on American cities and towns and machinegun American citizens in the streets. I do not hold with that opinion in the very least.
??? I don't think a single person in the posts above "backed" the author. In fact, I think everyone said, in one way or another, exactly the same thing you just said.
I believe he's referring to the comments in the article, not the comments here.
Correct, baldeagle, I was indeed talking about commenters on the original article.

K.Mooneyham
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 3
Posts: 2574
Joined: Sat Jan 12, 2013 4:27 pm
Location: Vernon, Texas

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#13

Post by K.Mooneyham »

suthdj wrote:
K.Mooneyham wrote:Many of those who are commenting on that article and backing the author seem to believe that the Armed Forces of the USA would willingly drop bombs on American cities and towns and machinegun American citizens in the streets. I do not hold with that opinion in the very least.
Battle of Blair Mountain, Ruby Ridge, Waco. Most won't but there those who will blindly follow.
And to clarify what I meant, I meant that I don't think it would be able to be run as a cohesive and coordinated operation like military operations are supposed to be. There are always those who will do dirty deeds for money, but as the deeds become dirtier, the number willing to do them tends to go down. And I think that would certainly be true in a situation where our Armed Forces were told to go and kill their fellow Americans en mass.
User avatar

Beiruty
Senior Member
Posts in topic: 1
Posts: 9655
Joined: Tue Aug 12, 2008 9:22 pm
Location: Allen, Texas

Re: Why the 'Citizen Militia' Is the Worst Pro-Gun Argument

#14

Post by Beiruty »

Just to let you how Syria regime was for the last 40 yrs was afraid of its people.
First,
1) No personal guns, unless you are loyal to the regime and be under the control of internal intelligence services (17 branches!). Now, you are part of the thugs gangs terrorizing disarmed civilians and called a shabeeh. Or a ghost, who more or less is above the law.
2) There is a 3-yr military draft. However, in boot camps if you ever show any kind of marksmanship or para-militray awareness, you would be detained and referred to the military intelligence services to be questioned for hours and days and no one will ever hear from you again. You would ask, why? The regime is hunting for anyone who had any experience or good at anything related to firearms. :shock: :shock:

Do you like to live in Syria? or Do you like to have the same gun control, like in Syria?
Beiruty,
United we stand, dispersed we falter
2014: NRA Endowment lifetime member
Post Reply

Return to “Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues”