Fatal Stabbing in College Station - Your Thoughts

[Will938]

So the word is that the two brothers started an altercation inside the club, they all got kicked out, and after his friend started taking a beating the veteran pulled a knife and stabbed one of them in the heart and the other multiple times, I'm sure he was drunk at the time. I was a couple doors down at the time having some pizza.

It looks like everyone already has this guy condemned, but it seems like a toss up to me. His friend was sustaining serious bodily injury from two stout guys, he used deadly force. He was drunk however, and they were both marines. One of them a veteran, they also didn't leave and avoid confrontation...either party. Assuming these are the facts, what is your opinion? Note that I asked a question very similar to this several months back.


"The suspect accused of killing a Rice basketball player after a night of partying at a Northgate bar has been released on a $200,000 bail.

Brazos County Sheriff officials say Ronald Johnson Jr. bonded out Saturday night around 9 p.m.

The 23-year-old College Station resident was arrested last week and charged with the murder of Johnathan Bailey. Johnson is a United States Marine.

College Station police responded to a report of a shooting at the 100 block of College Main at approximately 1:45 a.m. Thursday. There was a reported altercation outside the V-Bar on the 110 block of College Main on Northgate in which two male victims received multiple stab wounds.

Jonathan Bailey, 22, was pronounced dead after being taken to St. Joseph Regional Health Center by College Station Fire Department personnel. Janson Bailey, his twin brother, is undergoing treatment for multiple stab wounds.

Jonathan was a sophomore guard for the Rice University basketball team. Janson was enrolled at Texas A&M through the end of the fall semester, but did not return for the spring.

Ronald Andrew Johnson, Jr., 23, was arrested on charges of murder Thursday.

Court documents state that Johnson and his friend Mike Fuller, also a Marine, got into a drunken brawl involving the Bailey brothers outside of V-Bar just before 2 a.m. Fuller told police he was kicked and punched by a group of people that included the Bailey brothers and that his injuries were so severe that both of his eyes were swollen shut.

Johnson told officials the confrontation started just before the bar closed. According to the reports, Fuller was in line at the bar when Janson was "humping up on his leg." Fuller then pushed Janson, who in turn punched Fuller in the face.

Witnesses told police officials that after the men were kicked out of the bar, fighting continued into an outside alley. The court documents state Fuller was then allegedly punched in the face, and the Bailey brothers were stabbed by Johnson.

Johnson told police he left with his friend and returned to an apartment in College Station where they washed his pocketknife in a sink, according to the court report. Police later found Johnson at the apartment because officers found Fuller's credit card at the bar, where he had opened a tab, police said.

"Obviously, we are shocked at the tragedy of epic proportions," said Willis Wilson, Rice men's basketball coach, in a statement released Thursday afternoon. "Our thoughts and prayers are with the family at this time. Every member of our program is grieving at the loss of a teammate and a friend."

As of Friday, Fuller had not been charged with criminal involvement pertaining to the incident, according to police reports."

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[txinvestigator]

When you leave the scene and tamper with physical evidence you tend to get charged.

Other than that, knowing how the media is unreliable in its reporting, it is really impossible to decide much.

[Venus Pax]

It's hard to tell, based on what we know.
Being intoxicated and further escalating the issue isn't going to help his case.

[Geister]

My thoughts are not to go to a nightclub at all. This is a typical nightclub situation in Texas, maybe without the stabbing and death, but typical every other way.

[jimlongley]

When you leave the scene and tamper with physical evidence you tend to get charged.

Other than that, knowing how the media is unreliable in its reporting, it is really impossible to decide much.

Yup. his best chance was to stay there and surrender.

OTOH, if deadly force was justified, then deadly force with a knife is covered too.

[Will938]

Argh, the paper has already started the whole "They were good kids, never wanted any trouble" stuff.

I don't think I feel sorry for any of them, they all stepped up and they all were/are being punished, be it by the law or by the blade...well, except for that one marine, whos only role was as a punching bag.

[pbandjelly]

whos only role was as a punching bag.

then he got "punished" by the fist.
not like any of them are "innocent."

I don't see any of the group walking away, which is what they are supposed to do. Marines should be held to a higher standard, and college athletes should also be held to a higher standard.

[Will938]

whos only role was as a punching bag.

then he got "punished" by the fist.
not like any of them are "innocent."

I don't see any of the group walking away, which is what they are supposed to do. Marines should be held to a higher standard, and college athletes should also be held to a higher standard.

Yeah, thats what I said, they were all punished in one form or another. What did the first guy get punished for though? Pushing away some guy who was humping his leg. He won't be facing any charges.

[DaveApple]

Here's my take:

I am an A&M student. I had a huge exam Thursday and managed to see the 20 or so cop cars on the scene as I drove home from the library. When I found out the homicide was at V-bar I was honestly surprised because I figured a foreign student had managed to run into an angry drunk. V-bar is not my type of bar. I'm sure some other College Station students on here may agree with me when I say that it's generally the trendy crowd. The drinks are expensive, and the people are generally well dressed. Needless to say it's not the atmosphere at the dixie chicken. From what I've found out, Janson was a pretty good sized guy who worked out a lot. Knowing this, I wouldnt be surprised if he was involved in a fight. KBTX had some images of Fuller on last night. He was pretty badly bruised. I really dont see this case as a cold murder. It involved a bunch of drunks at 1:45 in the morning. It sounds like fuller was on the ground knocked out and getting his face stomped in when his friend tried to save him. It simply seems like a fight that went too far. That's what happens when drunks fight. It keeps escalating. I have to say that if my best friend was on the ground unconscious I would do whatever I could to save his life as well. Of course I would have avoided the fight in the first place. It really is a sad case that shouldnt have happened but it did. I'm not going to stop going to Northgate like a lot of people are claiming they're going to do. I'm just going to stay away from fights.

[Will938]

Same, I'll be there thursday. I don't see why everyone would be so scared to go now. Less crowded for me I guess.

[DaveApple]

You better bet I'll be there thursday. I'll be at West Campus Library tonight until 3 studying for statistics. Relaxation shall commence tomorrow night.

[casingpoint]

I grew up outside College Station. Graduated from A&M. Fights happen when the boys from the big city come to the country and hump a Marine in the local bar. Typical of immature exhuberant college students mixing with high school graduates or dropouts who don't have much tolerance. This incident was the unfortunate result of the wrong people coming together under the influence of alcohol.

[Photoman]

Man if I've read it once, I've read it a million times from Ayoob... Don't leave the scene and be the first one to call police.

[Will938]

Man if I've read it once, I've read it a million times from Ayoob... Don't leave the scene and be the first one to call police.

Can anyone link me to this guy's story? I've heard about it several times, searched for it, and never found it.

[Will938]

You better bet I'll be there thursday. I'll be at West Campus Library tonight until 3 studying for statistics. Relaxation shall commence tomorrow night.

Statistics you say? I'm in 301 and 307 myself, my advisor was like...how did you end up in both of these classes at the same time...too late sucka we're already two weeks into the course.