Rex B wrote:As for medical necessity, I am told by people in that profession that abortions required to save the life of the mother are almost non-existent today.
Well, I think that we may have found something that gdanaher and I have some slight amount of common ground on. I can understand the practice as a ACTUAL MEDICAL NECESSITY, when performed by a doctor in an actual hospital who does NOT do that on a regular basis as a money-making enterprise, after looking at the situation with a "cold-eye". While gdanaher believes it hurt the Republican Party to say they do not want to allow it at all, I would rather support them than the Democrat Party, who want seem to be fine with George Tilleresque "quick lube" style places on every street corner paid for by tax payers. gdanaher, if you do indeed believe what you say, then you cannot help but see the inherent wrong in what the Democrat Party espouses on this issue, even while pointing out a serious "flaw" in the Republican Party stance, from your viewpoint.
Let me first state that I am 100% against abortion unless there is a danger to the mother or the baby was from a rape. I know some would argue about the rape but I think forcing someone to carry a child that only has it because they were raped amounts to torture and should not be forced upon someone. That being said....
We have issues as a nation we are going to need to deal with. Those that say "no abortion" also for the most part they are tired of paying for someone elses way in the world and don't like unneeded welfare. They also tend to say they don't want to teach their children about birth control only abstinence. I've run into this with my sister. She and I believe almost the same exact things except the part about birth control.
My statement is this -
MOST but not all people that don't believe in abortion are religious and that MOST but not all religious people believe in teaching abstinence over birth control.
The problem is that you can't count on abstinence and if you rule out abortion someone has to pay for all the kids that will be running around if you also rule out birth control which causes more welfare.
So, the religious right is going to have to bend at some point. You can't have no birth control and no abortion and have no welfare. It just will never happen.
Let me also state that I am religious. I'm just more liberal when it comes to birth control.
pcgizzmo wrote:
The problem is that you can't count on abstinence ...
Why not? It is 100% effective when used.
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pcgizzmo wrote:
The problem is that you can't count on abstinence ...
Why not? It is 100% effective when used.
Because it's not used even 50% of the time. You can't count on consenting adults to use abstinence much less hormone ranging teenagers no matter how well they were raised. Some will but most won't.
I'm also one that believes not every one should have kids. Just because we were born w/the proper instruments doesn't mean everyone should use them. Some people shouldn't have kids even after there married. Try telling two married people that don't make $1000 dollars a month between them to stay abstinent until they can better afford to take care of a family and see how that goes. They would have better luck w/that on some type of birth control just as would 99% of Americans.
MeMelYup wrote:If you think abortion is wrong, the only type of birth control acceptable would be abstinence.
No. Very much Incorrect. Any form which prevents fertilization would also be perfectly acceptable, except to a bunch of idiots called the Pope and the Congress of Cardinals.
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I dont belive in abortion but I'm pro choice. Its not for me or anyone else to tell someone what the can and cant do with there body. This is one of the many things the government needs to get there hands out of.
Gameover wrote:I dont belive in abortion but I'm pro choice. Its not for me or anyone else to tell someone what the can and cant do with there body. This is one of the many things the government needs to get there hands out of.
I don't believe in murder, but I'm pro choice. It's not for me or anyone else to tell someone what they can or can't do with their body. This is one of the many things the government needs to get their hands out of.
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Gameover wrote:I dont belive in abortion but I'm pro choice. Its not for me or anyone else to tell someone what the can and cant do with there body. This is one of the many things the government needs to get there hands out of.
I don't believe in murder, but I'm pro choice. It's not for me or anyone else to tell someone what they can or can't do with their body. This is one of the many things the government needs to get their hands out of.
Really? Then you better be ready to abandon all current laws. Except for a few "hate laws", pretty much ALL the law books are full of lists of what we can't do with our bodies.
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pbwalker wrote:I assume all the pro-lifers are as vehemently against Capital Punishment?
Really? You see no difference between taking the life of an innocent, as yet unborn baby, and removing from society somebody that has exhibited an uncaring and murderous attitude toward the rest of society?
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