50 States Secede

[Beiruty]

The petition should only be a message to the President and his cabinet, that so many are fed up with the Feds and their taxes and intrusion in our daily lives.

For one thing we have great problems that needs needs great solutions:
1) Heath care spending
2) Federal Deficits.
3) Energy independence
4) SSI

All those have to fixed and it is only the fault of the Congress and their "kick the bucket" policies.

[RPB]

UPDATE
Apparently 50 States have petitions to secede .., but if they all did, from whom would they?




White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white ... icipation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[mamabearCali]

It is a satisfying thought to go tell Washington DC to pound sand. However in practicality there is no end game. What to do about the military, what to do about currency, what to do about global economic status. This is not the 18th century, the times we live in are complex and so there problems are complex. What this does show is there is a very large group of our populace that is very upset. For the moment we are stuck with each other. We still have it better than 99% of all people who have ever lived.

Additionally I don't think a petition is treason. So I hope that bit was hyperbolic. It is showing irritation with the policies the current administration has to subvert and subjugate our constitution to their socialist whims. Now actual treason is happening....it just happens within DC proper most of the time and is never prosecuted or even sneezed at because it would be politically dangerous to do so.


edited to add

Someday it will likely be time for this great nation to part bonds with each other and to form regional governments. However I think it will be self evident when that time comes. Heaven help us if that day comes and China and Russia are still main players.

[sjfcontrol]

UPDATE
Apparently 50 States have petitions to secede .., but if they all did, from whom would they?




White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white ... icipation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From D.C., of course! Leaving it a very small area surrounded by angry X-states.

[atticus]

VMI77, Good points. But just because collectivists impose outrages on their fellow citizens today, I'm not willing to follow their lead in terms of imposing secession on the unwilling. It would be justifying the means because of the ends. Further, just because tories were treated harshly during and after the Revolution does not mean we have to follow that example today. The reason is much the same as why we shouldn't follow the Omamanoids in trashing the Constitution. Consider the crimes committed in the South by carpetbaggers during reconstruction. Under color of law, and with self-righteous zeal, they treated their fellow citizens in the South like dogs. If we end up treating non-secessionists like post-revolution tories, what will we have accomplished? What will we have become? As bad as the current political situation is in the USA (and it is hard to imagine it being much worse), I'd sooner look for other solutions than secession at this point.

[mamabearCali]

UPDATE
Apparently 50 States have petitions to secede .., but if they all did, from whom would they?




White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white ... icipation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From D.C., of course! Leaving it a very small area surrounded by angry X-states.

Now that would be funny! Cut off the head of the overwhelming bureaucracy.

[RPB]

UPDATE
Apparently 50 States have petitions to secede .., but if they all did, from whom would they?




White House ‘secede’ petitions reach 675,000 signatures, 50-state participation
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/14/white ... icipation/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

From D.C., of course! Leaving it a very small area surrounded by angry X-states.

Well, Perhaps since Obama only visited 57 of the 59 States, he'd still have golf courses in the other 9 States if 50 Seceded
I'm still in Awe of how while campaigning in 2008 a guy who thought we had 59 States gets elected President of that same Country ... yet a guy from Texas temporarily can't remember a third item in a list of 3 without consulting the list, so he gets discarded.
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[Oldgringo]

Why stop with state secession? If the cities were to secede from the states, we could have a continent of city states like the ancient Greeks. Can anyone say, "Molon Labe"?

[VMI77]

Furthermore, unrelated to what I quoted, all this talk about secession over mere election results is highly immature. Don't you guys who support it realize you're saying that you're so uncivilized that you can't stand to even be in the same country as someone who dares to disagree with you? Grow up! If you want to talk secession because the federal government actually did or didn't do something (like that TSA-TX spat a couple years ago), fine, then there might be something worth talking about. But seceding over people voting differently than you is just nuts. Wasn't the 1st amendment put there to protect varying political ideas? And don't we claim to be the political group that loves & respects the entire US Constitution, rather than just the parts that suit our purposes?

For the record, I advocate the threat of secession as an extreme measure to attempt to reign in the federal government and force them to abide by the constitution. I advocated for this during Bush's term and not because of the result of one election. What this election did for me and, I believe, many like me is highlight the fact that the majority of our population is no longer interested in a government that stays out of our lives and out of our way. Four years ago, I was disapointed because I thought that most of the country fell for the "rainbows and unicorns" promises that spewed from the mouth of the infested pustule. (credit to anygun for that term) and didn't do any research into the man's beliefs or background. This time around, it is clear that 52% of our citizens who care enough to vote knew exactly what they were voting for and have caused me to loose faith in this country's ability to ever return to our founding principals.

Excellent, you espouse treason. If you don't like our ways, leave. Don't think you will ever, ever be permitted to drive this state from the Union. We settled it once, and will settle it again.

Nonsense. It's not unconstitutional and it's not treason.

[VMI77]

VMI77, Good points. But just because collectivists impose outrages on their fellow citizens today, I'm not willing to follow their lead in terms of imposing secession on the unwilling. It would be justifying the means because of the ends. Further, just because tories were treated harshly during and after the Revolution does not mean we have to follow that example today. The reason is much the same as why we shouldn't follow the Omamanoids in trashing the Constitution. Consider the crimes committed in the South by carpetbaggers during reconstruction. Under color of law, and with self-righteous zeal, they treated their fellow citizens in the South like dogs. If we end up treating non-secessionists like post-revolution tories, what will we have accomplished? What will we have become? As bad as the current political situation is in the USA (and it is hard to imagine it being much worse), I'd sooner look for other solutions than secession at this point.

As I said before, I'm not advocating secession, I'm just pointing out that contrary to what others on here are saying, it is not "treason" and there are legal Constitutional paths to accomplish it. But this election made manifest the clear division between the makers and the takers. It is going to get worse, and worse in ways that none of us can predict or imagine. You may not be able to recognize the country in another four years. It's already very much different than the country I was born into. This is not nostalgia on my part --many things are better now then they were 50 years ago, but many things are also worse, and I feel on balance, the country is worse off.

[VMI77]

It is a satisfying thought to go tell Washington DC to pound sand. However in practicality there is no end game. What to do about the military, what to do about currency, what to do about global economic status. This is not the 18th century, the times we live in are complex and so there problems are complex. What this does show is there is a very large group of our populace that is very upset. For the moment we are stuck with each other. We still have it better than 99% of all people who have ever lived.

Additionally I don't think a petition is treason. So I hope that bit was hyperbolic. It is showing irritation with the policies the current administration has to subvert and subjugate our constitution to their socialist whims. Now actual treason is happening....it just happens within DC proper most of the time and is never prosecuted or even sneezed at because it would be politically dangerous to do so.


edited to add

Someday it will likely be time for this great nation to part bonds with each other and to form regional governments. However I think it will be self evident when that time comes. Heaven help us if that day comes and China and Russia are still main players.

The treason talk is outrageous nonsense. If people in a state took up arms against the US government and tried to secede that might be treason, but I'm not so sure I'd call it that if the purpose was to restore the Constitutional Republic. Anyway, remember what John Harrington said way back in the 16th Century:

Treason doth never prosper, what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it Treason.

Secession can be accomplished Constitutionally and peacefully. Even if the courts said secession is illegal, with enough support the Constitution could be amended to allow it. Of course, this isn't going to happen any time in the near future. Things would have to be bad enough to get the needed majority support and secession would have to be seen as a solution to whatever dire circumstances had arisen. I think the complexities could be dealt with and overcome if a significant majority wanted to follow this path. I doubt any secession would be of an individual state though, it seems much more likely to be regional, which suggests there would have to be at least three and possibly four separate regions. For secession to occur at some future time I'd guess it would have to be the product of some catastrophic event that leads to a civil war. I certainly hope I don't have to see that, nor do I wish it upon my children or my grandchildren, or their children to follow.

Edited for clarity.

[VMI77]

I signed the Texas one, even though it will mean nothing

Treason is a capital offense. Remember that. For every individual who thinks its a handy cool idea there are ten that will put you underground for being a traitor to the United States of America.
If you don't like our system of representative government, plane tickets are freely available. Quit talking and start walking.

Treason, against the nation of our fathers, deserves no mercy.

So then, when will you be going after those traitors in Washington, D.C., who are destroying the "nation of our fathers? Or are you just talking?

[VMI77]

The 2012 secession movement is brought to you by the same folks who brought you the tea party. Really. Think about it. But instead of a crown whose head rarely changes, you get anouther crack at it in 4 years. Be patient, find a candidate that might be electable, keep him/her squeaky clean, and hope for the best in 2016. Give the people a reason to vote for your candidate rather than against someone.

There it is!

If by "There it is!" you mean gdanaher completely ignores the growth of the Leviathan and spouts from the liberal progressive playbook by taking another swipe at the tea party folks, then we agree!

[rm9792]

The 2012 secession movement is brought to you by the same folks who brought you the tea party. Really. Think about it. But instead of a crown whose head rarely changes, you get anouther crack at it in 4 years. Be patient, find a candidate that might be electable, keep him/her squeaky clean, and hope for the best in 2016. Give the people a reason to vote for your candidate rather than against someone.

This presumes an honest election which hasnt been the case for a long time. Granted the gop has run crappy candidates but even the best candidate cant overcome dishonesty.

[recaffeination]

I signed the Texas one, even though it will mean nothing

Treason is a capital offense. Remember that. For every individual who thinks its a handy cool idea there are ten that will put you underground for being a traitor to the United States of America.
If you don't like our system of representative government, plane tickets are freely available. Quit talking and start walking.

Treason, against the nation of our fathers, deserves no mercy.

I doubt the souls of George Wasington, Jefferson Davis, and Sam Houston care if they have "mercy" from you and your kind.