The Annoyed Man wrote:My son sent me a text earlier today asking me to sign this thing. I haven't done it yet, and I'm not going to. IF things ever come to that I'll do my part, but I don't want my name on a list handed to Obupkis. I'm going to have to talk to my son about discretion.
And honestly, although I am very skeptical about the future national integrity in the long term, I love my country, and I don't want to see it disbanded. What I want to see is for the democrat party—the greatest evil this country has seen in 80 years—to be disbanded.
I do have an opinion about what I think is likely to happen to the U.S. over the next 50-75 years or so, maybe longer, maybe less, but it's not something I like. I think that the gulf between conservatives/libertarians on one side, and liberals/communists on the other side has become unbridgeable. I think this is for easily understood reasons, and they need no justification as far as I am concerned. The commies want to keep dragging the country further left. I don't want to go one single millimeter further leftward than I have already be dragged in the last 40 years. I'm not compromising anymore. When the other side consistently, over 40 years, refused to compromise, then compromise is not possible any longer. I've been pushed as far as I'm willing to be pushed. Either the pendulum begins to swing the other way of its own accord, or people like me are going to give it a push. As I've posted elsewhere, apparently this makes me an extremist to some people. I never saw myself that way before. I see myself as being principled, and willing to defend my principles and refusing to compromise with evil. But if that makes me an extremist, then I'll wear that label without apology.
What I see happening in the long term future is the United States "balkanizing" into smaller autonomous regions of like-minded and culturally similar peoples. By "culturally," I am NOT talking about race or ethnicity. Rather, I'm talking about cultural values, like self-reliance versus a collective mentality.....stuff like that. I also think that, eventually, there will be significant population shifts between those autonomous regions, as people begin to sort out what kind of regional culture they want to live in. Perhaps those autonomous regions will become loosely allied for purposes of mutual defense and commerce—EXACTLY WHAT THE FOUNDERS ENVISIONED—but they will likely never give big centralized government a chance for to form again.
Again, the reason I think this is exactly because the philosophical and cultural divide between left and right has become too large to mend....so something else has to happen.
I know that this vision is, in part, a sort of Jeffersonian fantasy, but it is more than that. The alternative is an increasingly large and oppressive centralized government. There will be no middle ground. Things are going to keep going in the direction they're headed—toward the large and oppressive—or they can reverse themselves and head toward what I described above. Stasis is not possible because the status quo is not stable. The commies aren't through yet, and they're fired up, and people like me are sooooo done with that crap.......so stasis is not stable, and it must tip one way or the other.
That's just how I see it. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.
Unless we keep the barbarian virtues, gaining the civilized ones will be of little avail. Oversentimentality, oversoftness, washiness, and mushiness are the great dangers of this age and of this people." Teddy Roosevelt"
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Dave2 wrote:Also, they'd pretty much be saying that the American Experiment more or less failed, and that's not a statement to be made lightly.
The American Experiment has, more or less, failed, and it started to fail as soon as the land of "opportunity" became the land of "entitlement".
The elections last week made it clear that the best choice at this point may be to opt out as individuals. Ignore their unconstitutional laws. Quietly but resolutely. That's my plan starting in 3 months, give or take.
Any petition on the site that gets 25,000 signatures is supposed to be considered by White House staff and be given an official response from the White House.
I foresee this petition getting this response: "We have considered your petition and have decided it has no merit. Have a nice day."
Or something along those lines.
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Oldgringo wrote:All of these silly petitions will certainly delay any POTUS response to/defense of the Benghazi coverup....if nothing else.
I dont really worry about being placed on any kind of hit list by valerie or potus's minions
if i wasnt on their list before today...shame on them
if anything it makes a statement to the man, that many are simply not pleased with his actions and coverups
besides....pull my address in google or bing or any other map and you will find yourself knee deep in a lake, long before you find my hacienda
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Oldgringo wrote:All of these silly petitions will certainly delay any POTUS response to/defense of the Benghazi coverup....if nothing else.
It still amazes me how Benghazi quickly got tossed to the back burner. Im sorry, but if that situation isn't a coverup I'm not really sure what is. Its awfully convient that there is always something new making headlines thus delaying an official response to what happened to Ambassador Stevens and his minimal security detail.
Oldgringo wrote:All of these silly petitions will certainly delay any POTUS response to/defense of the Benghazi coverup....if nothing else.
It still amazes me how Benghazi quickly got tossed to the back burner. Im sorry, but if that situation isn't a coverup I'm not really sure what is. Its awfully convient that there is always something new making headlines thus delaying an official response to what happened to Ambassador Stevens and his minimal security detail.
Failure of Intelligence and Failure of adequate readiness and response.
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I am already on multiple lists so being on one more is not a big deal.
I am a gun owner, NRA and TSRA life member.
I am Catholic and pro-lifer. The white house stopped sending me emails when I counseled them on killing babies.
I am a veteran.
I am white. I am a conservative.
I am a Constitutionalist.
Now I am a seccessionist because I signed the petition.
Of all the states that could make this happen Texas could. It would actually improve our state because many of the sponges would leave. We could shutdown the border too. Guaranteed.
I see no negatives.
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Where was all this interest when it mattered? We're stuck with mr obummer and his socialist policies for the next four years. Short of a miracle that is. This kind of talk is counter productive.
I like to keep this handy... for close encounters.
Any petition on the site that gets 25,000 signatures is supposed to be considered by White House staff and be given an official response from the White House.
I foresee this petition getting this response: "We have considered your petition and have decided it has no merit. Have a nice day."
Or something along those lines.
You are of course assuming that any in the White house can READ!
I like to keep this handy... for close encounters.
TV news had a map this morning, and says it's 20 or more States now, I think this Started with Conservative States, but now liberal States which voted for Obama, but want to legalize stuff which Federal Law prohibits, joined in wanting to secede too.
It's an odd "updated" map of "Breakaway States" I can't find online yet. Not as if the States petitioning have commonalities like other times when some banded together to separate.
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I'm talking about cultural values, like self-reliance versus a collective mentality.....stuff like that. I also think that, eventually, there will be significant population shifts between those autonomous regions, as people begin to sort out what kind of regional culture they want to live in. Perhaps those autonomous regions will become loosely allied for purposes of mutual defense and commerce—EXACTLY WHAT THE FOUNDERS ENVISIONED—but they will likely never give big centralized government a chance for to form again.
But the collective mentality region wouldn't be able to exist without a large centralized government because that's the mechanism whereby resources are "fairly" redistributed. Eventually, that redistribution would spread from solely within the collectives to moving wealth from the self-reliance areas into the collectives. Which is close to what we currently have - where the working class are being forced to support those that don't on a larger scale.
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