Bad Experience

[Glock_Tacular]

GT the more I think about your experience the madder I get. The manager must think he is some kinda kahuna to approach you and speak to you about what he assumes you may be wearing. If you werent causing any trouble or drawing attention to yourself he should take a flying leap. He was just wanting to flex his rinky dink "boss" authority.

I think I would have asked him just what the deal is....has he considered that I may be wearing an insulin pump, or other life support system? I would indignantly refused to discuss with him what I was wearing and that also includes the type of underwear I may or may not be wearing.

I would then tell him, if you want me to leave I certainly will, but before I do I want your name and your regional manager's name and phone number.

Cheap lesson buddy, chalk it up to the cost of wisdom.

And thats exactly why I was upset because he initally asked me what the bulge was? Then he said, "I assume its a gun and I know there is gun laws for you to carry but we dont allow it here."

[Glock_Tacular]

The problem is concealment. The Glock may be too large for you. I carry a smaller Sig .380. Yes, it is less horsepower, but it is totally concealable. I can put it in my jeans pocket, slacks, anywhere, and nobody knows. If you need more than a .380 inside Hooters, everyone is in trouble. Consider a P238 and never be bothered again by snoopy managers.

I never said I "need" my glock inside hooters, but if it is my gun of choice and I can properly conceal it, which is the issue here, then we have no issue. I've done is pleanty of other times in and out of hooters, but there is always that one time...

[Oldgringo]

The problem is concealment. The Glock may be too large for you. I carry a smaller Sig .380. Yes, it is less horsepower, but it is totally concealable. I can put it in my jeans pocket, slacks, anywhere, and nobody knows. If you need more than a .380 inside Hooters, everyone is in trouble. Consider a P238 and never be bothered again by snoopy managers.

I never said I "need" my glock inside hooters, but if it is my gun of choice and I can properly conceal it, which is the issue here, then we have no issue. I've done is pleanty of other times in and out of hooters, but there is always that one time...

Lightbulb! Maybe it's not the gun, maybe it's not the manager; could it be the hooters?

[Glock_Tacular]

The problem is concealment. The Glock may be too large for you. I carry a smaller Sig .380. Yes, it is less horsepower, but it is totally concealable. I can put it in my jeans pocket, slacks, anywhere, and nobody knows. If you need more than a .380 inside Hooters, everyone is in trouble. Consider a P238 and never be bothered again by snoopy managers.

I never said I "need" my glock inside hooters, but if it is my gun of choice and I can properly conceal it, which is the issue here, then we have no issue. I've done is pleanty of other times in and out of hooters, but there is always that one time...

Lightbulb! Maybe it's not the gun, maybe it's not the manager; could it be the hooters?

Idk, is it? They have a hotline you can call if you would like to inquire for yourself.

[MadMonkey]

Btw, spoke with the Regional Manager and unless you're a LEO they will not allow CHL holders to carry.

Bye bye Hooters.

You'd think there'd be a sign they could post to indicate that...

And thats what i stressed to him, so I dont doubt they will get a sign in the future. But, probably the wrong one at first.

It's generally not a good idea to clue in the clueless when it comes to signage. That's what they pay their lawyers for.

I didn't go to into vast detail. Simply stated if you only want LEO to carry into your establishment look into getting the proper signs out front instead of having to stare down everyone.

Wait... so you TOLD him that there was improper signage out front? So rather than simply let it go and eat somewhere else, now it's likely that the rest of us who haven't been given proper notice will no longer be able to carry there once they put up 30.06?

This is exactly why we let gunbusters and similar signs alone. They do not pertain to us. If you're caught carrying, don't tell them "well you have the wrong sign up" because that will keep other law-abiding folks from carrying in there.

[Glock_Tacular]

Well, first off I didn't say you had the wrong signs I said you have NO signs out front that would prevent me from bringing my handgun in. Second, I'm not law-abiding? Why would you want to carry or dine at an establishment that doesn't allow us to carry? Third, yes if I had never went to Hooters in the firs place this would still be an unknown issue. ***Subsequent comment removed by moderator***

[MadMonkey]

Well, first off I didn't say you had the wrong signs I said you have NO signs out front that would prevent me from bringing my handgun in.

And now they're alerted to the fact that they have no signs. You were given a verbal notice, which is enough to legally prevent you from carrying inside. Calling in to complain is fine, but IMHO you should have left it at that and moved on rather than call the district manager to complain.

Second, I'm not law-abiding?

I said "other" law abiding people.

Why would you want to carry or dine at an establishment that doesn't allow us to carry?

That shouldn't matter to you as you have no input into where I choose to eat or what other businesses I choose to patronize. To my knowledge, Hooters is still gun-friendly because there are no 30.06 signs out front andI havent been given a notice.

Third, yes if I had never went to Hooters in the firs place this would still be an unknown issue. ***Subsequent comment removed by moderator***

I'm not a Hooters historian so I have no idea. Regardless, I'd recommend you work on your carry method to avoid such issues in the future.

[Glock_Tacular]

And now they're alerted to the fact that they have no signs. You were given a verbal notice, which is enough to legally prevent you from carrying inside. Calling in to complain is fine, but IMHO you should have left it at that and moved on rather than call the district manager to complain.

I'm aware a verbal is as good as a written.

I'm not a Hooters historian so I have no idea. Regardless, I'd recommend you work on your carry method to avoid such issues in the future.

Yes, this has already been established. I was actually able to think of that on my own before I joined the forum.

[jimlongley]

Wait... so you TOLD him that there was improper signage out front? So rather than simply let it go and eat somewhere else, now it's likely that the rest of us who haven't been given proper notice will no longer be able to carry there once they put up 30.06?

This is exactly why we let gunbusters and similar signs alone. They do not pertain to us. If you're caught carrying, don't tell them "well you have the wrong sign up" because that will keep other law-abiding folks from carrying in there.

So you would rather give a business that does not respect you your money?

[sjfcontrol]

Wait... so you TOLD him that there was improper signage out front? So rather than simply let it go and eat somewhere else, now it's likely that the rest of us who haven't been given proper notice will no longer be able to carry there once they put up 30.06?

This is exactly why we let gunbusters and similar signs alone. They do not pertain to us. If you're caught carrying, don't tell them "well you have the wrong sign up" because that will keep other law-abiding folks from carrying in there.

So you would rather give a business that does not respect you your money?

Are you suggesting that perhaps we should go around to businesses, handing out valid 30.06 signs, and instructing the owners on the proper posting thereof, so that we can tell at a glance which businesses don't "respect you or your money"?

Seems to me if the matter is important enough to the owner, he will do the research (or hire somebody to do it), such that the proper signage will be posted. I see little advantage to making that process easier for him, or educating him on what he needs to do.

[terryg]

Welcome to the forum GT!

You have stumbled onto a topic that has been discussed many times here before ... which is ... what should a CHL holder do about a business that has not posted 30.06 compliant signage but has made it clear they do not want CHL carrying on the premise (usually by posting non-compliant signs)?

Many here think you should vote with your wallet but not make any 'noise' because others will still want to shop there and they are worried about the owners getting 'wise'. While some (myself included) think you can still practice consumer activism but avoid referring to the PC code altogether.

My summary below:

Not ok to discuss whether a sign is legit or not ... don't want to teach them anything they don't already know ...

Is ok to let them know they won't get your business because they don't allow guns ... don't want to crush good old time tested consumer activism ...

[RoyGBiv]

Wait... so you TOLD him that there was improper signage out front? So rather than simply let it go and eat somewhere else, now it's likely that the rest of us who haven't been given proper notice will no longer be able to carry there once they put up 30.06?

This is exactly why we let gunbusters and similar signs alone. They do not pertain to us. If you're caught carrying, don't tell them "well you have the wrong sign up" because that will keep other law-abiding folks from carrying in there.

So you would rather give a business that does not respect you your money?

I've had to take customers to Hooters for business lunches.
I'd prefer that Hooters not make a habit of posting valid 30.06 signs, even if they prefer that CHL's not carry inside.
Without valid notice, I carry. With valid notice "I left something in the car, meet you inside."

[TexasCajun]

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Looks like this is going to turn into a larger issue. I guess from now on, those of us that enjoy an atmosphere with the mediocre food and would like to still maintain the highest level of personal protection will have to cast our eyes upon other similar venues. I hear Twin Peaks and/or the Tilted Kilt can fit the bill.

[Jim Beaux]

It's easy to assume that a chain such as Hooters has a legal staff that is versed in the laws and does not depend on the counsel of its patrons.

First I would never admit to carrying. I am courteous and professional; but if this self important clown confronted me in such an unnecessary and embarrassing manner as described by the OP, I will certainly assert my position and tell him that I am adhering to the law and his establishment is not; and if he continues to press the issue, I would definitely address his ignorance in regards to legal signage, then cover my check & tip the server.

If this guy has any hint of intelligence, I would bet he will think twice before pulling this sort of stunt on another "suspected" CHL....especially after I call corporate and in a courteous and professional manner describe my disappointing dining experience.

Big businesses do what is best for its bottom line. They must legally cover themselves from lawsuits while at the same time appeal to patrons with various lifestyle. They know the law, but choose to post ambiguous policies and gun buster signs instead of 30.06.

[3dfxMM]

It's easy to assume that a chain such as Hooters has a legal staff that is versed in the laws and does not depend on the counsel of its patrons.

First I would never admit to carrying. I am courteous and professional; but if this self important clown confronted me in such an unnecessary and embarrassing manner as described by the OP, I will certainly assert my position and tell him that I am adhering to the law and his establishment is not; and if he continues to press the issue, I would definitely address his ignorance in regards to legal signage, then cover my check & tip the server.

If this guy has any hint of intelligence, I would bet he will think twice before pulling this sort of stunt on another "suspected" CHL....especially after I call corporate and in a courteous and professional manner describe my disappointing dining experience.

Big businesses do what is best for its bottom line. They must legally cover themselves from lawsuits while at the same time appeal to patrons with various lifestyle. They know the law, but choose to post ambiguous policies and gun buster signs instead of 30.06.

In what way are you saying his establishment is not adhering to the law? They don't have to post a 30.06 if they don't want to do so. They can choose to tell people directly that they can't carry there. That is their choice to make. It certainly seems like it would be a lot easier to post the signs, but it is not a requirement.