U.N. Prisoner Boxcars in U.S.A.

[Keith B]

I think a lot of this started from Hal Turner's supposed exposure of these cars here

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Turner was a Holocaust denier and used to run a conspiracy based Internet radio show from his house with radical claims against the government until he was convicted for threatening federal judges in 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Here are a couple of web pages http://www.issuesandalibis.org/campsd.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; and http://www.wagthedog2010.com/prison_box ... mments.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Note the one page has the same name as the movie Wag the Dog where a movie producer was hired to create a fake war to distract from a sex scandal just prior to the election. The freight cars shown are called Autoracks and are used to transport automobiles via rail.

[Jaguar]

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I love onions.

[sjfcontrol]

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I love onions.

So don't bury the lead, what was the vote?

(A new bill of rights??? )

[Thomas]

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I love onions.

So don't bury the lead, what was the vote?

(A new bill of rights??? )

The vote was <classified> for and <classified> against.

As for the new bill of rights, only if <classified> and <classified>.

I love onions too.

[The Annoyed Man]

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I love onions.

So don't bury the lead, what was the vote?

(A new bill of rights??? )

As in "The Onion"

Jaguar, that there was really funny.

[Jaguar]

Jaguar, that there was really funny.

Glad to annoy.

My brother-in-law called me and had me "check out this scary video". He was full into conspiracy theories and would bring these up from time to time. On this occasion he said, "I'll hang up while you watch, call me later and tell me this isn't true."

I watched, saw the "onion"-span logo and laughed all the way through it. I had to wait an hour to call just so I could keep my voice steady while I commiserated with him. Finally I told him the logo seemed a bit, off, and asked if he knew what it was. I finally had to flat out tell him it was a spoof, satire, humor. He didn't find it funny.

I did.

[bizarrenormality]

I hear the train a-coming. It's rolling round the bend. And I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when.

[wharvey]

It seems from the sarcasism most to beleaguered this could happen . Consider the number of schological studies done where people are give tasks they wouldn't normally not but do them under orders. The feel that removes the guilt.

Now out of a thousand people test they may only find 2 or 3 that are sadistic enough to do the needed job. Further authority given as way of additional payment that will provide further incentives. That would give 2,000 to 3,000 for each million.

The numbers would vary with location and large cities producing more what with gang signing up.

Imagine the havoc that would happen just around the Houston area, specially after years of guns and/or ammo bans.

While may not be likely it would be very doable. Not in the next month but a decade or so should be ripe.

[RPB]

These boxcars would have been useful evacuating all the Liberals just before Hurricane Sandy; especially the shackles part ...

If the shackles key gets lost accidentally, we can take voting machines to them, but they'll need picture ID and voter reg. card...

[VMI77]

not that I would put this past some of the evil outfits hanging about, but in truth why would a dictator bother with boxcars and shackles. If they are going to kill a bunch of us, I would think there are much more efficient ways to accomplish their goals. If they (whoever "they" are) want to kill us individually why bother with shackles and trains....bullets are much cheaper. This sounds like something out of a book really, and not aware of modern methods of warfare. If their goal is enslavement of the people, they might get away with it a little (inner cities and such) but once they get past those places you are looking at body counts not trains.

In short, this does not make sense in the context of our day and time.

Not that I believe we are making boxcars for people, the ones I've seen as examples of "prison boxcars" were for automobiles, not people ready.

However, the Nazi's started off with just shooting people. It didn't work well since the guards were people and people have an aversion to killing others. Not all, but the majority do, so they had to come up with a better way to implement the "final solution". Turns out, guards do not have as much of an aversion to herding people into rooms, and you can always find that "one" who will happily drop cyanide in from outside, then just force other prisoners to clean up the mess.

It doesn't make it right or better, or even close, but mass killing in this manner was the way the Nazi's could get it done with the least amount of strife.

Sad that that much thought went into killing innocent people.

Also, in the beginning they filled the back of large delivery trucks with Jews, ported in the exhaust gases, and drove around until they were all dead. This was more discreet and more efficient than shooting but not efficient enough (and body disposal was also a problem), so they scaled up from trucks to gas chambers and furnaces. And while I don't remember the exact chronology I believe they also started off with killing handicapped children. They took them from their homes telling the parents that they were sending them to medical facilities to help them with their condition and then killed them. After awhile people started to catch on. They also attempted to kill disabled veterans but gave up as there was actually backlash from killing children and wounded vets, and the regime decided to conserve resources and postpone these elements of the final solution until after the war.

[VMI77]

I think the germans had mostly been disarmed though by that point.....what if those same scared townspeople had had rifles and knowing that atrocities were taking place had sniped the guards, and freed the people? What if the ex-military had been taking out the locomotives to the trains that were hauling people away with IED's. What if every SS officer had to be afraid that with his next round up he would be on the wrong end of a bullet.....I think things might have shaken out different than they did. You see, as long as we as a people have a method to defend ourselves, as long as we have a mindset to defend ourselves where there is a will there will be a way.

I think your starting assumption...that most Germans were opposed to what was happening, or would be opposed if they were better informed...is false. The numbers are debatable, but many Germans supported what was happening, and it was only after the war that they began saying they didn't know --which is hogwash. It was almost impossible not to know. Trains full of Jews screaming and moaning sat in train yards for hours, and sometimes days. People used to stand by the train tracks and curse them as they went by. The concentration camps employed local workers, like electricians and carpenters. Those few in the military who wouldn't follow orders were simply killed. Furthermore, most of the occupied European countries freely turned over Jews and other "undesirables" to the Nazis.

The murders and slave labor were not some isolated and invisible event --it permeated all of German society. Werner Von Braun, for example, calculated the minimum number of calories necessary to keep slave laborers alive for a month, while building the V-2 rockets. Engineers designed the extermination methods, architects designed the camps, bureaucrats ordered and payed for material, manufacturing plants produced things like Zyklon B for the gas chambers, businessmen supplied their factories with slave labor, farmers supplied concentration camps with food. Everyone who worked in a train yard or lived near tracks or a train station saw and heard what was happening.

As far as resistance goes, virtually the same things happened in Russia under Stalin. People did not resist. The Russians got so that instead of sending a whole company out for a roundup they sent just one militiaman, and people would obediently line up and let him lead them away. The Germans would simply issue public orders for Jews to appear at such and such a place, and they would. Very few refused to show up when merely ordered to do so. Defense is more mindset than weapons. Most people don't fight and won't fight when a situation is ambiguous. Many may fight when they sense death is certain, but these mass exterminations work by preying on ambiguity: death is certain if you resist, uncertain if you don't. It's the same reason people will allow themselves to be herded into a walk-in freezer by gunmen, and kneel down to be executed: most of those that might resist lack certainty until it's too late to act.

[Purplehood]

You need to adjust the tightness on your tinfoil hat.

Is there a tool for that? If not there appears to be a great market for one out there, what with all the tightening/loosening required based upon "reliable sources" of information. Of course it would have to be a "tactical" model, preferably in camo, and sold only on interweb sites to the "right people." Hmmmm

Mine would require a special tool as it has a CHL badge prominently displayed on the front.

[Abraham]

Use an ordinary colander as your mold. Simply line with any brand tinfoil and quickly remove- voila - your hat will immediately usable. Unless your head is extraordinarily large of course, if so, simply take the lid off your Weber grill and use that as your mold.

Once your new chapeau is firmly ensconced on yer noggin, those pesky thoughts regarding Sassy the Sasquatch, UFO's landing in your back yard crewed by aliens medicos wanting to examine you in the most unpleasant manner, and oh yeah, U.N. Prisoner Boxcars will all be a thing of the past.

[The Annoyed Man]

not that I would put this past some of the evil outfits hanging about, but in truth why would a dictator bother with boxcars and shackles. If they are going to kill a bunch of us, I would think there are much more efficient ways to accomplish their goals. If they (whoever "they" are) want to kill us individually why bother with shackles and trains....bullets are much cheaper. This sounds like something out of a book really, and not aware of modern methods of warfare. If their goal is enslavement of the people, they might get away with it a little (inner cities and such) but once they get past those places you are looking at body counts not trains.

In short, this does not make sense in the context of our day and time.

Not that I believe we are making boxcars for people, the ones I've seen as examples of "prison boxcars" were for automobiles, not people ready.

However, the Nazi's started off with just shooting people. It didn't work well since the guards were people and people have an aversion to killing others. Not all, but the majority do, so they had to come up with a better way to implement the "final solution". Turns out, guards do not have as much of an aversion to herding people into rooms, and you can always find that "one" who will happily drop cyanide in from outside, then just force other prisoners to clean up the mess.

It doesn't make it right or better, or even close, but mass killing in this manner was the way the Nazi's could get it done with the least amount of strife.

Sad that that much thought went into killing innocent people.

Also, in the beginning they filled the back of large delivery trucks with Jews, ported in the exhaust gases, and drove around until they were all dead. This was more discreet and more efficient than shooting but not efficient enough (and body disposal was also a problem), so they scaled up from trucks to gas chambers and furnaces. And while I don't remember the exact chronology I believe they also started off with killing handicapped children. They took them from their homes telling the parents that they were sending them to medical facilities to help them with their condition and then killed them. After awhile people started to catch on. They also attempted to kill disabled veterans but gave up as there was actually backlash from killing children and wounded vets, and the regime decided to conserve resources and postpone these elements of the final solution until after the war.

There is a small town in France called Oradour-Sur-Glane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane) which was the site of a Nazi atrocity on June 10th 1944, just a few days after the Normandy landings. I've been there with my wife and son, and it is quite sobering. The details of the atrocity can be found at the above linked Wikipedia page, but suffice it to say that a company of SS troopers murdered 642 civilians in a reprisal against activities of the Resistance. There are about 3 or 4 different towns in the immediate region within a 25-30 mile radius or so of this town which all have the name "Oradour," and they are distinguished one from the others by the names of the rivers on which they are located—many small towns and villages in rural France being located on or near navigable waterways. The town of Oradour in which the atrocity occurred is located on the Glane river, hence the name "Oradour-sur-Glane," which translates as "Oradour on the Glane."

Tragically, this atrocity was mistakenly carried out against the "wrong target." The actual town which the Nazis were targeting was "Oradour-sur-Vayres" (which I've been to also), which was a hub for Resistance activity in the region, and the Nazis were too flippin' stupid to realize that they were assaulting the wrong town.

Anyway, Oradour-sur-Glane was never rebuilt on its original site. Instead, the French government built a "new" town on the other side of the local highway, and it preserved the destroyed town as a museum to commemorate the great evil of the 3rd Reich. When you visit Oradour, you enter through an underground museum that passes under the highway separating the new from the old towns. In that museum are many artifacts of the local Nazi occupation.

Among those artifacts are displayed actual memos sent from Berlin to local SS commanders, with very detailed instructions on how to properly dig a mass-murder trench, with the required angles of the trench walls which on the one hand will keep the trench from collapsing, but will on the other hand most efficiently cause the machine-gunned bodies to roll down to the bottom of the trench without stacking up against the near side. I've never gotten over that. The brutality of the murderers on the scene is bad enough. But when a government is so thoroughly evil to its core that some faceless bureaucrat with an engineering bent can draw up a memo to describe, not just as theory, but how to actually practice the mass extermination of civilian populations most efficiently and tidily, then that government has gone beyond being merely corrupt, and has entered the realm of being satanically evil.

I absolutely believe that our government is corrupt to its core—not the standards set down by the Founders upon which it is built—but rather that the government no longer serves the people, and exists only to justify its own power and to expand its reach. Power corrupts, etc., etc. BUT, I don't think that our government is yet to the point of being satanically evil in the same way that the 3rd Reich was satanically evil. Not yet. And that is why I believe that A) it can be turned around if some sanity is restored to the political process; and B) why I cannot buy into crazy Nazi conspiracy theories about FEMA prison camps and nonsense like that. Not yet. It's all about "playing it forward." Do I believe that if this nation does not change the arc upon which it is embarked it could eventually degenerate to that point? Absolutely. But I don't think we're there yet.

[RoyGBiv]

Defense is more mindset than weapons. Most people don't fight and won't fight when a situation is ambiguous. Many may fight when they sense death is certain, but these mass exterminations work by preying on ambiguity: death is certain if you resist, uncertain if you don't. It's the same reason people will allow themselves to be herded into a walk-in freezer by gunmen, and kneel down to be executed: most of those that might resist lack certainty until it's too late to act.

QFT.

Not many people have the ability to, "in the moment", recognize the possible evil outcomes of that ambiguity and ACT in a way to minimize or eliminate it, or flee from it.