St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"
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St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... police-bar
The above article details the double murder of 2 brothers, 21 and 23 years old, by a 27 year old man.
This happened at a "4 beers for a dollar" biker bar in St. Cloud, Osceola County, Florida (close to Disney World).
The 3 men had all gone to St. Cloud High School. They fought in the bar, were kicked out, and then fought again
in the parking lot. The 27 year old left in his vehicle for 20 minutes, then returned to the bar.
The 3 fought again. At this point the 27 year old produced a .40 Glock and opened up on the brothers. They fell
wounded, then he stood over them and finished them off until his gun was empty. Police recovered 13 shell casings.
The dead men's mother had also gone to the bar with them, and as she stood over her dying sons, the shooter
asked if "she wanted some too".
Patrons of the bar then disarmed him and beat him severely before police arrived to arrest him for double murder.
Jason Clair, the shooter, is now claiming to be in the right due to Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law.
This is ridiculous. He simply murdered the brothers who beat him in a bar fight, after leaving the scene
for 20 minutes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2 ... ouse-video
The above link is only 38 seconds long and shows the 2 families (shooter and victims') brawling at the Kissimme, FL
courthouse. Multiple men ganged up on the man in the black suit and the man in the red shirt was taken away
by KFD to the hospital to check out a possible broken jaw. The men arrested were father/stepfather of the
victims/shooter.
The Zimmerman/Travon Martin does have a potentially accurate defense under "Stand Your Ground", but the Jason
Clair case does not.
The "Guardian" newspaper had another long text story about the crime that included pix of the dead brothers (while alive)
and of Jason Clair's mugshot, but unfortunately it seems to have been deleted in the short time I've been composing
this OP.
SIA
The above article details the double murder of 2 brothers, 21 and 23 years old, by a 27 year old man.
This happened at a "4 beers for a dollar" biker bar in St. Cloud, Osceola County, Florida (close to Disney World).
The 3 men had all gone to St. Cloud High School. They fought in the bar, were kicked out, and then fought again
in the parking lot. The 27 year old left in his vehicle for 20 minutes, then returned to the bar.
The 3 fought again. At this point the 27 year old produced a .40 Glock and opened up on the brothers. They fell
wounded, then he stood over them and finished them off until his gun was empty. Police recovered 13 shell casings.
The dead men's mother had also gone to the bar with them, and as she stood over her dying sons, the shooter
asked if "she wanted some too".
Patrons of the bar then disarmed him and beat him severely before police arrived to arrest him for double murder.
Jason Clair, the shooter, is now claiming to be in the right due to Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law.
This is ridiculous. He simply murdered the brothers who beat him in a bar fight, after leaving the scene
for 20 minutes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2 ... ouse-video
The above link is only 38 seconds long and shows the 2 families (shooter and victims') brawling at the Kissimme, FL
courthouse. Multiple men ganged up on the man in the black suit and the man in the red shirt was taken away
by KFD to the hospital to check out a possible broken jaw. The men arrested were father/stepfather of the
victims/shooter.
The Zimmerman/Travon Martin does have a potentially accurate defense under "Stand Your Ground", but the Jason
Clair case does not.
The "Guardian" newspaper had another long text story about the crime that included pix of the dead brothers (while alive)
and of Jason Clair's mugshot, but unfortunately it seems to have been deleted in the short time I've been composing
this OP.
SIA
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Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"
Kinda like the accident defense "He stumbled into my knife 26 times".
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Seems like a nice bunch of folks
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Yep, next time you go to Disney World, go on down to Kissimmee and the Lake Tohopekaligia area and check out Osceola County and its surroundings. There is a whole lot of rural country in Florida...or used to be, when we lived next door to Disney World in the mid 80's.Rex B wrote:Seems like a nice bunch of folks
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Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"
I'm afraid to ask.surprise_i'm_armed wrote:The dead men's mother had also gone to the bar with them, and as she stood over her dying sons, the shooter asked if "she wanted some too".
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"I was coming out the door as the last gunshots were fired," said Collins, the EMT-firefighter. " 'Their mom ran out and she was picking up her son J.J. when [Clair] said, 'Do you want some too, [expletive]?'
this guy is going away for a while
this guy is going away for a while
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Heck fire! They're probably all related?barstoolguru wrote:"I was coming out the door as the last gunshots were fired," said Collins, the EMT-firefighter. " 'Their mom ran out and she was picking up her son J.J. when [Clair] said, 'Do you want some too, [expletive]?'
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Family tree is a telephone pole???Oldgringo wrote:Heck fire! They're probably all related?barstoolguru wrote:"I was coming out the door as the last gunshots were fired," said Collins, the EMT-firefighter. " 'Their mom ran out and she was picking up her son J.J. when [Clair] said, 'Do you want some too, [expletive]?'
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Re: St. Cloud, FL double murderer claims "Stand Your Ground"
those two boys whooped him good, I seen a pic of him at his booking and he looked like he was in a car wreck.
Some parents say it is toy guns that make boys warlike. But give a boy a rubber duck and he will seize its neck like the butt of a pistol and shout "Bang!"......George Will
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Keep in mind that the murderer received a beating from the crowd after his Glock was empty.barstoolguru wrote:those two boys whooped him good, I seen a pic of him at his booking and he looked like he was in a car wreck.
The crowd wasn't happy that he had murdered the 2 brothers and they gave him quite a bit of "what fer" before "50" arrived.
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N. Texas LTC's hold 3 breakfasts each month. All are 800 AM. OC is fine.
2nd Saturdays: Rudy's BBQ, N. Dallas Pkwy, N.bound, N. of Main St., Frisco.
3rd Saturdays: Golden Corral, 465 E. I-20, Collins St exit, Arlington.
4th Saturdays: Sunny St. Cafe, off I-20, Exit 415, Mikus Rd, Willow Park.
2nd Saturdays: Rudy's BBQ, N. Dallas Pkwy, N.bound, N. of Main St., Frisco.
3rd Saturdays: Golden Corral, 465 E. I-20, Collins St exit, Arlington.
4th Saturdays: Sunny St. Cafe, off I-20, Exit 415, Mikus Rd, Willow Park.