Gun Range Demanding Too Much Personal Info

[Jim Beaux]

See--I didn't even think of that! When I go to the range, I lock my purse in the trunk of my car--so essentially, I have no ID on me(other than my name monagrammed on my range bag)

Hmm...now this has me thinking. I wonder if it would make sense to keep an equivalent "Medical ID Card" in a range bag all the time. Name, Emergency Contact Info, Allergies, etc. Might be worthwhile for many.



(sorry to the OP for the threadjack)

No threadjack, you made a positive contribution to the thread...'preciate' it.

[C-dub]

I guess I never really thought that much about it. They are, after all, letting me shoot my gun on their property. Not all of the ranges I've been to have asked for that much information either.

[alvins]

See--I didn't even think of that! When I go to the range, I lock my purse in the trunk of my car--so essentially, I have no ID on me(other than my name monagrammed on my range bag)

Hmm...now this has me thinking. I wonder if it would make sense to keep an equivalent "Medical ID Card" in a range bag all the time. Name, Emergency Contact Info, Allergies, etc. Might be worthwhile for many.



(sorry to the OP for the threadjack)

About $14.00 (if you can still Google discount coupon ... $5.00 off) Or, HEB had some .. I'm sure other pharmacies can get the USB drive medical records bracelets/ several companies make them
Rubber-USB drive I wear it ... kayaking/driving/working in the yard with a chainsaw ... all the time
In case info needed, insert in any USB drive, it has everything you'll ever need to know about me.
Allergies, Meds I take, doctor's home phone #, relatives ... everything
otherwise ... not their business
http://medicalhistorybracelet.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Although this might seem like a good idea. A very large portion of medical people are never going to use it or have any idea how. Ive worked in the medical field as an computer tech for quite awhike now and most doctors and nurses wouldnt know how to use those drives. The other big issue is that every place I have worked those usb drives are not allowed and we lock out the usb ports so they cannot be read or written too by anyone but the companies IT dept.

[RPB]

Myself and my Sister-in-law usually hand it to the doctor or dentist each visit.

The front desk usually prints for the doctor's/dentist's chart; if tests ordered, they can later put results on it if I give it to them

It isn't too hard to figure out that it plugs into any usb drive.
when you insert it in any usb drive, it pops up an html web page with your info you entered.

It isn't an uncommon device, though most pharmacies sell the keychain type version made by other companies, the bracelet is easier to notice.

As more and more physicians etc move to electronic medical records, you'll see this type thing more often.
http://www.google.com/search?q=usb+driv ... =firefox-a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The metal bracelets don't have enough room to list all my/my sister-in-law's allergies/medical conditions etc.
We'd need 200 metal bracelets each, then, they'd overlook the list of meds we can't take or her catalepsy or something due to too many bracelets ... and they'd have to fumble looking for a doctor's business card and blood type where I wrote it on a card in 1970 and it faded in a wallet

[WildBill]

The metal bracelets don't have enough room to list all my/my sister-in-law's allergies/medical conditions etc. We'd need 200 metal bracelets each

Flash memory is pretty inexpensive, that's easy enough to fix.

[RPB]

The metal bracelets don't have enough room to list all my/my sister-in-law's allergies/medical conditions etc. We'd need 200 metal bracelets each

Flash memory is pretty inexpensive, that's easy enough to fix.

oh I mean these flash drives bracelets/keychains hold everything; old fashioned medical alert bracelets can't
http://www.google.com/search?q=usb+driv ... =firefox-a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

one brand's ad:

The Card4Life USB Medical Records Flash Device is a convenient and easy to use portable memory card that is equipped with a program that stores all your personal health records and documents. By organizing the documents, users and emergency personal can easily plug in the USB device and look at the user's personal history, medications, insurance, doctors visit log and other documents such as x-rays, living will and even organ donation information.

On some brands. I think the doctor copies/pastes test results, and can upload your X-rays scans etc to them. So, when you go to the specialist, just hand him your bracelet too.

Mine just announced a software upgrade so it can do more.

[sjfcontrol]

The metal bracelets don't have enough room to list all my/my sister-in-law's allergies/medical conditions etc. We'd need 200 metal bracelets each

Flash memory is pretty inexpensive, that's easy enough to fix.

I think the reference is to the engraved metal bracelet style.

[WildBill]

The metal bracelets don't have enough room to list all my/my sister-in-law's allergies/medical conditions etc. We'd need 200 metal bracelets each

Flash memory is pretty inexpensive, that's easy enough to fix.

oh I mean these flash drives bracelets/keychains hold everything; old fashioned medical alert bracelets can't
http://www.google.com/search?q=usb+driv ... =firefox-a" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Sorry, I misread your post.

[RPB]

btw, I'm not recommending one brand over another brand, some software is better, uses RTF instead of HTML or other differences. but it has come in handy (though a dentist refused to see mt S-I-L after reading hers and referred her to a specialist in Austin' maybe good he read before operating ...)

I think that dentist is ordering some to sell now lol

I have no affiliation with any of the companies making such devices.

But. back to topic, if
"something" happened and they need my name address next of kin and medical info, Insurance info, living will med power of attorney, donor card, doctor's home, cell and fax numbers, blood type, prior surgeries, drug allergies, last 3 PSA test results, average BP/Spo2, what BP med and OTC vitamins I take, etc it's there, I don't plan to give out info unless and until needed to every desk clerk at a store or range.

[Medic624]

Although this might seem like a good idea. A very large portion of medical people are never going to use it or have any idea how. Ive worked in the medical field as an computer tech for quite awhike now and most doctors and nurses wouldnt know how to use those drives. The other big issue is that every place I have worked those usb drives are not allowed and we lock out the usb ports so they cannot be read or written too by anyone but the companies IT dept.

Although these types of bracelets are a great idea unfortunately speaking as someone with close to 18 yrs EMS experience and multiple years as a ER RN I can say most pre-hospital providers (not all) will not have the means to access that information on scene not to mention the time if it is a true emergency. Post ER arrival someone may be able to take your thumb drive off to some computer to get to your information but again, if it is a true life and death situation things will be happening quickly and at that point most of that information will not be known after the initial triage and stabilization. IMHO there is still no substitute for having your name, pertinent medical history, medications allergies and emergency contact info written down on some form and carried in your wallet, purse, taped to your refrigerator at home etc...those medic alert bracelets are still a good place to put info also.

As far as not being tech savvy and not knowing "how to use those drives" WoW what's funny is you were actually being serious.

I personally see no reason for all that information to be needed by the range. What will happen to it once they have it, who purges their data bases and how often, who also has access to that data???... We have become so accustom to freely handing out our personal information without giving it a second thought but then, even when it seems a little odd we usually do it anyway.

[RPB]

Well... perhaps not everywhere *yet* but if not already in a city near you ... it's coming; I imagine the Feds will fund the purchases all cities need under some section of the "Affordable Obama Taxation Medical Plan" ...

Police cars some day will have computers in them too ... most businesses might also ... and like VCRs, most homes will too
Now, if someone figures out how to connect one computer to another so they can talk to each other, it may be like VCRs in that each home may end up having more than one computer ... hard to imagine, but ...

New ambulance computers will aid patients, paramedics
Published: Friday, June 05, 2009
http://blog.cleveland.com/solonheraldsu ... uters.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

New ambulance computers will aid patients, paramedics

The computers -- combinations of laptops and tablets -- will also create more accurate patient records and shorten turnaround time for paramedics.

The fire department now must train paramedics how to use them.

Steve Shebeck, assistant fire chief, said the computers should be up and running by midsummer.

The computers are the next step toward a paperless medical record system.

Shebeck said paramedics now generate both written and computer reports of patients they treat.

Paramedics fax written reports to whatever hospital a patient is taken. Then they send a computer report, which is based on the written report, to the hospital.

The computer report becomes part of a patient's electronic record, which tracks a patient's treatment from ambulance run to hospital discharge.

Shebeck said the federal government collects the data to compile heart attack statistics and follow stroke outcomes, among other things.

Soon, the federal government will require completely paperless records for hospitals.

When that happens, paramedics will enter patient information into handheld computers with dropdown menus and touch screens.

The computers will also store information about patients, like their medical history, prescriptions and allergies.

more at link above

[alvins]

Although this might seem like a good idea. A very large portion of medical people are never going to use it or have any idea how. Ive worked in the medical field as an computer tech for quite awhike now and most doctors and nurses wouldnt know how to use those drives. The other big issue is that every place I have worked those usb drives are not allowed and we lock out the usb ports so they cannot be read or written too by anyone but the companies IT dept.

Although these types of bracelets are a great idea unfortunately speaking as someone with close to 18 yrs EMS experience and multiple years as a ER RN I can say most pre-hospital providers (not all) will not have the means to access that information on scene not to mention the time if it is a true emergency. Post ER arrival someone may be able to take your thumb drive off to some computer to get to your information but again, if it is a true life and death situation things will be happening quickly and at that point most of that information will not be known after the initial triage and stabilization. IMHO there is still no substitute for having your name, pertinent medical history, medications allergies and emergency contact info written down on some form and carried in your wallet, purse, taped to your refrigerator at home etc...those medic alert bracelets are still a good place to put info also.

As far as not being tech savvy and not knowing "how to use those drives" WoW what's funny is you were actually being serious.

I personally see no reason for all that information to be needed by the range. What will happen to it once they have it, who purges their data bases and how often, who also has access to that data???... We have become so accustom to freely handing out our personal information without giving it a second thought but then, even when it seems a little odd we usually do it anyway.

I guess you have never really worked with a doctor trying to use a computer. most of them are quite entertaining.

[RPB]

I guess you have never really worked with a doctor trying to use a computer. most of them are quite entertaining.

Oh that's so true ...
That's what younger front desk people are for if there are no children in the waiting room to help teach the doctor

I recall years ago an Attorney asking how to get car wreck photos off his phone .. I referred him to the 10 or 12 year old girl in the waiting room who showed him.

As these "kids" are growing up and now in positions to help the elderly uneducated/ non-techie generation, and more of those "kids" become doctors, the problem should resolve itself ... but most any kid can identify a USB drive/port nowadays, and USB ports are beginning to come standard equipment in cars, so I don't predict a shortage of availability of them
I'm not a cell phone guy, not sure how to answer a call on one ... but I can build a computer blindfolded with only one hand... if the arthritis meds are working that day.

[Medic624]

Although this might seem like a good idea. A very large portion of medical people are never going to use it or have any idea how. Ive worked in the medical field as an computer tech for quite awhike now and most doctors and nurses wouldnt know how to use those drives. The other big issue is that every place I have worked those usb drives are not allowed and we lock out the usb ports so they cannot be read or written too by anyone but the companies IT dept.

Although these types of bracelets are a great idea unfortunately speaking as someone with close to 18 yrs EMS experience and multiple years as a ER RN I can say most pre-hospital providers (not all) will not have the means to access that information on scene not to mention the time if it is a true emergency. Post ER arrival someone may be able to take your thumb drive off to some computer to get to your information but again, if it is a true life and death situation things will be happening quickly and at that point most of that information will not be known after the initial triage and stabilization. IMHO there is still no substitute for having your name, pertinent medical history, medications allergies and emergency contact info written down on some form and carried in your wallet, purse, taped to your refrigerator at home etc...those medic alert bracelets are still a good place to put info also.

As far as not being tech savvy and not knowing "how to use those drives" WoW what's funny is you were actually being serious.

I personally see no reason for all that information to be needed by the range. What will happen to it once they have it, who purges their data bases and how often, who also has access to that data???... We have become so accustom to freely handing out our personal information without giving it a second thought but then, even when it seems a little odd we usually do it anyway.

I guess you have never really worked with a doctor trying to use a computer. most of them are quite entertaining.

no, no I haven't...

[tacticool]

The gun range doesn't need to know what prescription medicine my dad takes.