League City: Man charged with burying mother in back yard

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apostate wrote:Here's one option If you qualify. http://www.cem.va.gov/bbene_burial.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's good for veterans. Not too many women in their 70s are veterans. I guess there might be a few. I don't know the technicalities back then.

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My suggestion was for list members seeking dignity without obscene expense. If they qualify. I should have made that clear.

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Updated story: http://galvestondailynews.com/story/325042" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Reportedly the bank called the police because the deceased woman's account was overdrawn and had an unusual pattern of withdrawals.

Here's a bit of free advice: If the cops are knocking on your door, dress the way you want to look in your mug shot before opening it.

Of course you can refuse to open the door, but they will be back soon with a warrant.

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seamusTX wrote:No human development in League City is 100 years old. That subdivision probably was built in the 1960s or 70s. - Jim
The house where the suspect and his mother lived was built in 1976.

The Galveston country medical examiner is conducting an autopsy. The results have not been released. This story has been getting a lot of national coverage.

http://galvestondailynews.com/story/325042" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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The medical examiner ruled the death a homicide. The cause or time of death have not been specified. No further charges have been brought as of yesterday.

http://galvestondailynews.com/story/325902" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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seamusTX wrote:The medical examiner ruled the death a homicide. The cause or time of death have not been specified. No further charges have been brought as of yesterday.

http://galvestondailynews.com/story/325902" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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I guess there is really no hurry. The suspect is still in custody so he isn't going anywhere soon.
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seamusTX wrote: ...

When a person dies, the death has to be certified by some kind of medical personnel. If a person dies at home, a funeral director takes the body by the ER to get a death certificate.

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In my experience responding to a number of deaths, non-criminal DAS's (death at scene) are officially certified by a Justice of the Peace long after the medical people depart. The first responders and paramedics will of course check for signs of life/death, and if appropriate try resuscitation, but they do not officially certify death. The paramedics will run an EKG and give a copy to the police on scene, or to the JP if he is there, and everyone will note the signs of death in their reports, but the JP makes it "official." Thus the official certification of death is often well after the on-scene medical people decide that there is nothing further they can do. The physician(s) who were treating the patient will be consulted to give an accurate cause of death.

Dead bodies are not sent to the ER, unless the responders are trying to resuscitate it -- if unsuccessful, then the ER docs will pronounce ("pronouncing" is different than "certifying") death AND fill out relevant parts of the death certificate. (In certain cases RNs and PAs can pronounce, but AFAIK, paramedics cannot). If the paramedics and responders attempt resuscitation, but then decide at the scene it is not going to be successfull (they will consult by phone with the ER docs on this), then everything stops, we apologize to the survivors, and that's that (it may be that the ER doc on the phone "pronounced death" based on the paramedic's report, but I don't know for sure, never asked). If the body never leaves the scene (and it is not a criminal matter), the cops will ask next-of-kin what funeral home needs to be summoned, and the funeral home will come pick up the deceased. The funeral home will arrange to obtain the death certificate, but they do not need to take the body any place to do so.

(I know the TV shows always show ambulance crews carting off dead bodies, and maybe they perform that service in other places, but I don't think that is how it is generally done. Ambulances and ERs are for the living, not the dead; they have enough business as it is, Even in criminal matters, I think the ME sends his own wagon, or contracts with a funeral home for transport).

Deaths that are suspected or known to be by criminal act or are of unknown causes (or occur within 24 hrs of admittance to a hospital, in jail, under the age of six) will be investigated by the JP and a Medical Examiner. Regular physicians are not supposed to certify non-natural deaths. In that case, the body may remain on scene for quite awhile.

A County Judge can act in place of a JP if the JP is not available for some reason.

And if this is not enough for anyone, you can read up on the process in the Texas Department of State Health Services here: http://www.dshs.state.tx.us/vs/handbook ... thbk1.shtm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Me, I recently told my wife to have me cremated and scattered over the little cemetery where we bury our pets. I don't give a rat's behind whether it is legal or not, but it has been my experience that no one ever comes to ask what you did with the ashes anyway. ;-)
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My only experience with being in charge of a death at home was the case of my late mother-in-law. She died in our home—silently, during the night, I might add. She had terminal cancer and wanted it that way.

The funeral home sent a hearse by, and they took her body to the ER for the certification of death.

This was in Illinois 20 years ago. I don't know what the specific laws or practices are here and now.

My only point was that if someone dies at home in 2012 you can't just dig a hole and throw in the body like it was a dead animal. A death certificate is required even for anticipated natural deaths.

It's also not such a great idea to continue collecting Social Security, forge checks, drain the assets of the estate, or lie about the whereabouts of the deceased.

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ELB wrote:(I know the TV shows always show ambulance crews carting off dead bodies, and maybe they perform that service in other places, but I don't think that is how it is generally done.
I am not very familiar with these types of laws, but in some states it is against the law for an ambulance to transport a dead body. I was told this by some ambulance drivers.

I don't think that most places still use the coroner van ala Quincy ME to transport bodies unless the death is thought to be a homicide. For other deaths ["natural", accidental, illness, suicide] I believe that most of that work is subcontracted. My [former] BIL once had a job picking up bodies [I know, horrible job]. If the police initially determined that the death was not as a result of a criminal act, they would call his company to transport the body. I am not sure where he took them. I never did ask.
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seamusTX wrote:
apostate wrote:Here's one option If you qualify. http://www.cem.va.gov/bbene_burial.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's good for veterans. Not too many women in their 70s are veterans. I guess there might be a few. I don't know the technicalities back then.

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No but there are many who are or were spouses of veterans. They are also eligible.
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steve817 wrote:
seamusTX wrote:
apostate wrote:Here's one option If you qualify. http://www.cem.va.gov/bbene_burial.asp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's good for veterans. Not too many women in their 70s are veterans. I guess there might be a few. I don't know the technicalities back then.

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No but there are many who are or were spouses of veterans. They are also eligible.
To my knowledge, the son did not apply for veteran benefits for his mother's burial.
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