17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

[jocat54]

Now, since hypotheticals are fun, what if TM happened to have survived this whole shindig and was able to provide his own testimony? That would be interesting, huh?[/quote]


WOW! That would really start things up.

[sjfcontrol]

Then it would boil down to "He said, She said". The end.

[snatchel]

Then it would boil down to "He said, She said". The end.

touche.

[Heartland Patriot]

I've got a question. Hypothetical, of course. I've never been an LEO, so if what I posit is impossible, please let me know. If a "bad guy" were casing (sorry if that isn't the correct term or its outdated) places to rob and he got interrupted, why that MIGHT put a little irritation in him, right? And he MIGHT get a little agitated that he was being interrupted, right? And that might make him mad enough to want to "whoop" the someone who interrupted him, right? And yes, I know what I'm asking...but if some are going to suggest (even if not saying it exactly) that GZ was going far beyond his instructions as NW, and that he got overzealous and somehow created a situation that lead to the tragic conclusion we know of, then can't it also be suggested that maybe a kid, who was already in some hot water, might have been looking for more trouble to get into, and then found some? And got mad when he got interrupted? Now, of course, I don't know if that is true in the very least...but if we can assume one thing about GZ, then why not assume something else about TM, as well? Though, I'm only doing this to play the "devil's advocate".

BTW, I'll say this again: my biggest beef is with the bulk of THE MASS MEDIA and the "FREE PRESS" in this country, the jokes of propagandists who call themselves journalists, the vast bulk of whom spin it all with a leftward twist...and not with any one individual from this forum in an argument on this topic. Lots of problems and mistakes all around in this case...made a whole lot worse by those "reporting" on it.

[flintknapper]

Based on Zimmerman’s own statements as to what he claims happened to him his injuries do not match his statements. Go re-read my post and then go re-read\watch Zimmerman’s statements as to what he claims happened to him then lets discuss.

No need to re-view the video, his injuries very much match up with his statements. Can you be more specific as to how you think they are not?

Nope never claimed to be in the medical or forensics field and I’m pretty sure the majority of Zimmerman’s peers who will be on the jury will not be either (if any at all). What I can rely on is real life experiences.

So you are saying you have "real life experience" in a situation JUST LIKE this one? Or just experience observing people who have been in fights? We've all seen that...and anyone who is being intellectually honest will tell you...that injuries will vary as much as each incident.

Yet, you seem very certain GZ's injuries could not have been sustained as he claims. What then, is your 'guess' as to how he got them?

[flintknapper]

Jusster wrote:

So let me get this straight…..because I don’t blindly follow/support Zimmerman because he is a fellow CHL holder you accuse me and others as being an anti gunner or having some agenda? Really? Your thinking is no different than the same groups you claim to despise and right and wrong is tossed completely out the window. You seem to be on the Zimmerman bandwagon not because you believe he was justified in his actions and/or his statements are truthful, but rather because he is part of “our” community.

^^^^^^^^^agreed!

It is a poor position to support someone based solely on his/her being "one of us"! That is a Clan Mentality at best. We are a nation of laws, laws that apply to everyone...and judgments made based on facts and the totality of the circumstance, nothing less!

[ScooterSissy]

I've got a question. Hypothetical, of course. I've never been an LEO, so if what I posit is impossible, please let me know. If a "bad guy" were casing (sorry if that isn't the correct term or its outdated) places to rob and he got interrupted, why that MIGHT put a little irritation in him, right? And he MIGHT get a little agitated that he was being interrupted, right? And that might make him mad enough to want to "whoop" the someone who interrupted him, right? And yes, I know what I'm asking...but if some are going to suggest (even if not saying it exactly) that GZ was going far beyond his instructions as NW, and that he got overzealous and somehow created a situation that lead to the tragic conclusion we know of, then can't it also be suggested that maybe a kid, who was already in some hot water, might have been looking for more trouble to get into, and then found some? And got mad when he got interrupted? Now, of course, I don't know if that is true in the very least...but if we can assume one thing about GZ, then why not assume something else about TM, as well? Though, I'm only doing this to play the "devil's advocate".

BTW, I'll say this again: my biggest beef is with the bulk of THE MASS MEDIA and the "FREE PRESS" in this country, the jokes of propagandists who call themselves journalists, the vast bulk of whom spin it all with a leftward twist...and not with any one individual from this forum in an argument on this topic. Lots of problems and mistakes all around in this case...made a whole lot worse by those "reporting" on it.

Excellent point! I told my wife early on that if Zimmerman was as dishonest and conniving as some claim him to be, he could have gotten out of this much easier.

"Yes officer, I was following him, trying to provide a description to the police department. Then I returned to my vehicle, and he intercepted me. He asked me if I "had a problem". I explained to him that I worked with Neighborhood Watch and had already alerted the police to his presence. That's when he punched me in the nose and pinned me on the ground."

[ScooterSissy]

Based on Zimmerman’s own statements as to what he claims happened to him his injuries do not match his statements. Go re-read my post and then go re-read\watch Zimmerman’s statements as to what he claims happened to him then lets discuss.

No need to re-view the video, his injuries very much match up with his statements. Can you be more specific as to how you think they are not?

Nope never claimed to be in the medical or forensics field and I’m pretty sure the majority of Zimmerman’s peers who will be on the jury will not be either (if any at all). What I can rely on is real life experiences.

So you are saying you have "real life experience" in a situation JUST LIKE this one? Or just experience observing people who have been in fights? We've all seen that...and anyone who is being intellectually honest will tell you...that injuries will vary as much as each incident.

Yet, you seem very certain GZ's injuries could not have been sustained as he claims. What then, is your 'guess' as to how he got them?

I'm tired of hearing people talking about how "minor" Z's injuries were. I had a friend that had no visable brusing after a car accident, and only when he passed out in the minor emergency clinic did they realize that he had a ruptured spleen, and was bleeding internally. I'd hate to count the number of times in martial arts classes (when I was much younger) that students got knocked out with no visable injuries (including myself once).

If someone is on top of me, and pounding my head onto the pavement, I don't care if they're leaving obvious injuries or not, they're going to be treated as if they're trying to kill me; because they very well may.

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[baldeagle]

I'm tired of hearing people talking about how "minor" Z's injuries were. I had a friend that had no visable brusing after a car accident, and only when he passed out in the minor emergency clinic did they realize that he had a ruptured spleen, and was bleeding internally. I'd hate to count the number of times in martial arts classes (when I was much younger) that students got knocked out with no visable injuries (including myself once).

If someone is on top of me, and pounding my head onto the pavement, I don't care if they're leaving obvious injuries or not, they're going to be treated as if they're trying to kill me; because they very well may.

Anyone who doubts this merely needs to google "one punch kill". You will find ample examples of people who died after being hit once, including a 142 pound woman who killed a man with one punch to the gut. And no, she was not a karate or boxing professional.

[57Coastie]

...Here is what I am heading to: The burden of proof is TM's responsibility....

Say whaaat? While I will reserve my opinion on the rights and wrongs here, a dead man has a burden of proof to prove what?

Jim

[baldeagle]

...Here is what I am heading to: The burden of proof is TM's responsibility....

Say whaaat? While I will reserve my opinion on the rights and wrongs here, a dead man has a burden of proof to prove what?

Jim

Perhaps it was inelegantly worded? I think he meant it's the prosecution's burden.

[snatchel]

...Here is what I am heading to: The burden of proof is TM's responsibility....

Say whaaat? While I will reserve my opinion on the rights and wrongs here, a dead man has a burden of proof to prove what?

Jim

Perhaps it was inelegantly worded? I think he meant it's the prosecution's burden.

Sorry. Prosecution's burden.

[gringo pistolero]

Now, since hypotheticals are fun, what if TM happened to have survived this whole shindig and was able to provide his own testimony? That would be interesting, huh? [ /quote]


WOW! That would really start things up.

Especially if the cops charged him with assault for starting the fight.

[Oldgringo]

We're only two pages shy of a 100. Somebody say something.

[Heartland Patriot]

Something...