17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

[speedsix]

...no defending against the charge that they were hiding their money FROM THE JUDGE who set bail...she's been charged with perjury on that...according to the judge, she said more than "I don't know"...they weren't hiding it from inmates...they were trying to keep their greedy little paws on the money that was generously(and misguidedly, in my opinion) donated FOR THEIR LEGAL DEFENSE...and use it to pay off their personal bills...a sneak of weasels...

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http://www.mediaite.com/online/florida- ... t-the-law/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...I don't know how one could say that they were navigating the legal system by themselves...with all that money and a lawyer...seems like they could get good legal advice...but then they'd have had to spend more of that money on what it was donated for...perish the thought...

[mamabearCali]

Speedsix for being so opinionated you seem a bit unaware of the time line. O'mara had been retained only days before this hearing. And the money given...well I gave to defray whatever costs he should encounter. The only way one gets to conclude that Shelly out and out knowingly lied (which is the only way to get perjury in FL) is to do some creative editing to her testimony which is what the prosecution did. As for them using some $$ to defray personal costs---his life and his entire families lives are threatened of course they used some money to get them the heck out of dodge.

Keith all the evidence I have seen (bloody knuckle on TM, lacerations and bruising to GZ face) where the attack occured, even the testimony of Dee Dee) seems to substantiate GZ claims. Right now from the other side all I hear is character assassination and hysterics.

[tacticool]

Speedsix for being so opinionated you seem a bit unaware of the time line. O'mara had been retained only days before this hearing. And the money given...well I gave to defray whatever costs he should encounter. The only way one gets to conclude that Shelly out and out knowingly lied (which is the only way to get perjury in FL) is to do some creative editing to her testimony which is what the prosecution did. As for them using some $$ to defray personal costs---his life and his entire families lives are threatened of course they used some money to get them the heck out of dodge.

Keith all the evidence I have seen (bloody knuckle on TM, lacerations and bruising to GZ face) where the attack occured, even the testimony of Dee Dee) seems to substantiate GZ claims. Right now from the other side all I hear is character assassination and hysterics.

It's no surprise. Those are typical brady bunch tactics.

[speedsix]

Speedsix for being so opinionated you seem a bit unaware of the time line. O'mara had been retained only days before this hearing. And the money given...well I gave to defray whatever costs he should encounter. The only way one gets to conclude that Shelly out and out knowingly lied (which is the only way to get perjury in FL) is to do some creative editing to her testimony which is what the prosecution did. As for them using some $$ to defray personal costs---his life and his entire families lives are threatened of course they used some money to get them the heck out of dodge.

Keith all the evidence I have seen (bloody knuckle on TM, lacerations and bruising to GZ face) where the attack occured, even the testimony of Dee Dee) seems to substantiate GZ claims. Right now from the other side all I hear is character assassination and hysterics.

...so they DID have a lawyer and weren't "navigating" alone...nobody "edited" her testimony...the JUDGE said she lied...and they really had to pay off their credit cards to "get them the heck out of dodge?" the time line is that they had a lawyer, they went to court...and she lied to the judge about their available funds...he got a low bail...the judge became aware he'd been lied to...and took highly appropriate action...

[Oldgringo]

mamabearCali may have a point. Afterall, Chesterfield, VA is some 200 miles closer to Sanford, FL than is Beaumont, TX. Me, I'm some 2,700 miles from the scene. I really dunno' what happened that night. Maybe, just maybe, "the truth will out" over time.

[tacticool]

I think someone who was planning to go underground is more likely to max out their credit cards buying stuff to help them live off the radar than worrying about paying their credit card bills. Strange days indeed.

[mamabearCali]

Speedsix for being so opinionated you seem a bit unaware of the time line. O'mara had been retained only days before this hearing. And the money given...well I gave to defray whatever costs he should encounter. The only way one gets to conclude that Shelly out and out knowingly lied (which is the only way to get perjury in FL) is to do some creative editing to her testimony which is what the prosecution did. As for them using some $$ to defray personal costs---his life and his entire families lives are threatened of course they used some money to get them the heck out of dodge.

Keith all the evidence I have seen (bloody knuckle on TM, lacerations and bruising to GZ face) where the attack occured, even the testimony of Dee Dee) seems to substantiate GZ claims. Right now from the other side all I hear is character assassination and hysterics.

...so they DID have a lawyer and weren't "navigating" alone...nobody "edited" her testimony...the JUDGE said she lied...and they really had to pay off their credit cards to "get them the heck out of dodge?" the time line is that they had a lawyer, they went to court...and she lied to the judge about their available funds...he got a low bail...the judge became aware he'd been lied to...and took highly appropriate action...

The judge also said Zimmerman sat there like a potted plant--does that make him a marigold now? I thought in this country we had a trial in front of a jury before we were judged guilty of something. Perhaps all we need now is for a judge to say that we did something and that is that. If you look at the transcript she says I don't know and I don't have an estimate of the funds and then offered a place where they could get an estimate. So if she had said I have approximately $150,000 in the account and it was $180,000 she would have been charge for perjury too. That question is a trap--it is like saying "did you stop beating your wife." On the question of do you have any additional funds...it is quite possible that she considered the money given not theirs and even if it was as money spent. From what I have been told by florida lawyers it is very hard to get perjury there and extremely unlikely in this case. So what is all this...distraction and noise to keep us from noticing all the dirty dealing under the table.

You have shown yourself determined to think the worst of Zimmerman, and have decided to buy the drivel of the MSM. There is no convincing you otherwise.

[speedsix]

...I surely believe what the judge said over all these whitewashing theories I'm reading here...she had a bond hearing before a judge...what she told the judge was one thing...what the facts proved was different...and he made the changes in his ruling appropriately...all the rest is something you might add to a potted plant to insure your marigold's health and growth...I think what the judge said in the link trumps anything someone in another state has been told by "florida lawyers"..."Shelly" does, too...what I think of Z is based on all the information available...including his own words in his own voice...so far, he hasn't shown me his good side...and the facts keep getting in the way: http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/upl ... ?mobile=nc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...I was curious as to your bringing gardening into the discussion when I wasn't talking about Z...THIS is what the judge said...and I agree with the judge...

“Does your client get to sit there like a potted plant and lead the court down the primrose path? That’s the issue,” Lester said in revoking Zimmerman’s bond. “He can’t sit back and obtain the benefit of a lower bond based upon those material falsehoods.”

[Heartland Patriot]

Ladies and Gentlemen Zimmerman was a decent man trying to a decent thing (keep thieves out of his community by reporting them and their whereabouts to the police). He was attacked by a young man and was beaten to within an inch of his life when he defended himself. Those of yall that want to throw him under a bus for getting out of his car....well I hope I am never going along the river walk at 7 pm and get beat to death cause yall will surely throw me under the bus for getting out of my car and daring to walk where I have every right to be.

While I admire your support of Zimerman IF things happened as you state, there are things that you state for truth that are not 100% known. Did Martin really attack Zimmerman or did Zimmerman commit the first physical assault on Martin and Martin was just defending himself? We don't know cause we weren't there. And, while it really doesn't matter legally if he got out of his car, the whole thing is he should not have done it. Following someone on foot when you are not a cop is opening yourself up for an ambush by the person.

Personally, I think Zimmerman just put himself in a bad situation and ended up having to get himself out of that situation by shooting Martin. The media has him guilty. The prosecutors are bending to presusre from others and are throwing out what few scrupples they may have left to try and get a conviction, and they are going to drag him and his wife through the mud until they come up with something that they can hang him with. They guy stands no chance of getting a fair trial. IMO the only hope he has may be to get a mistrial and the prosecutors decide to not try to follow up.

This was so good, I'll do this again:

Thank you KeithB.

[mamabearCali]

Keith I gotta say anyone of us could find ourselves in the same situation. Picture this: You go outside to take an evening walk. You see someone acting strangely, they look like they are high. You call the police and when you hang up to go to the arranged meeting place for the police you get jumped. That could happen to ANY OF US! Zimmerman may have made tactical errors, but he, by all the evidence we have, was not the one who attacked. He did not make this happen to him anymore than the woman walking from her dorm to the college pizza hang out invites an attack.

I hope he can get a fair trial. But I am not feeling positive on that. As far as the media judging him guilty---they did that they heard the name Zimmerman (prob thought he was a WASP) and that his attacker had a greater amount of melanin in his skin. They lost all credibility in this case the moment they edited those tapes.

[speedsix]

...it's the part you left out between "You call the police" and "and when you hang up to go to the arranged meeting place for the police you get jumped" that got him in trouble...
...if your child was telling you a story, I think you'd want them to include that part...

[mamabearCali]

...it's the part you left out between "You call the police" and "and when you hang up to go to the arranged meeting place for the police you get jumped" that got him in trouble...
...if your child was telling you a story, I think you'd want them to include that part...

So what do you think he did? ..TM had already run away or so Zimmerman had thought? If he had gone to confront TM and TM did not want to be found don't you think they would have ended up closer to TM's abode instead of within eyeshot of GZ car? Have you listened to the phone calls? Have you looked at the diagrams of the street and where Zimmerman was attacked, where TM's house was, and where Z's car was. He did not want to catch this dude, he thought the police were minutes away. You don't go starting a rumble if you know the police are within a few minutes out. There is no way Z catches TM anyway....if TM wanted to get home because he was scared he was being followed he had plenty of time. The only way this confrontation happens where it happens is if TM either lies in wait for Zimmerman or doubles back. Go look at the evidence of where people were, when things happened.

[speedsix]

...after months of reading every bit of evidence I can find...the only conclusion I can come up with is that if Z had made his "good-citizen" phone call to the police and gone about his business, staying in his car, not following/chasing anyone, all the things that you are once again shifting the focus to to avoid admitting that Z did a stupid, wrong thing or two could not have happened...and he'd be at home with his little wifey tonight...wondering how they'd pay off their credit cards...that's the simple truth...

[Keith B]

Keith I gotta say anyone of us could find ourselves in the same situation. Picture this: You go outside to take an evening walk. You see someone acting strangely, they look like they are high. You call the police and when you hang up to go to the arranged meeting place for the police you get jumped. That could happen to ANY OF US! Zimmerman may have made tactical errors, but he, by all the evidence we have, was not the one who attacked. He did not make this happen to him anymore than the woman walking from her dorm to the college pizza hang out invites an attack.

I hope he can get a fair trial. But I am not feeling positive on that. As far as the media judging him guilty---they did that they heard the name Zimmerman (prob thought he was a WASP) and that his attacker had a greater amount of melanin in his skin. They lost all credibility in this case the moment they edited those tapes.

I don't see how you can call them the same. Zimmerman was not out for a quiet evening stroll and got blindsided by Martin jumping out of the bushes; he was watching Martin and followed him after seeing him in the neighborhood and that apparently set Martin off. I believe Martin was worried about Zimmerman following him, but like a dumb kid that thinks he is tough and invincible he didn't run away and decided he would try and confront Zimmerman and be a thug. It got heated and we all know the end result.

[mamabearCali]

...after months of reading every bit of evidence I can find...the only conclusion I can come up with is that if Z had made his "good-citizen" phone call to the police and gone about his business, staying in his car, not following/chasing anyone, all the things that you are once again shifting the focus to to avoid admitting that Z did a stupid, wrong thing or two could not have happened...and he'd be at home with his little wifey tonight...wondering how they'd pay off their credit cards...that's the simple truth...

And if wishes were horses beggars would ride. He was trying to be a good neighbor and help stop the home invasions in his community. Lesson learned here....no good deed goes unpunished. If TM had called the police himself instead of trying to kill Zimmerman we would not be here either and he (TM) would be free to continue smoking pot and imbibing drank.