Bad plan: Carry under MPA, act as CHL, claim ignorance.

[recaffeination]

I got a jury summons for next month. I hope it's someone accused of breaking an uncontitutional gun law so I can say not guilty until the others agree or they declare a hung jury. The government making me disarm to serve on a jury is going to weigh heavily against the government lawyer if it's any kind of victimless crime. .

[The Annoyed Man]

[fickman]

Ignorance of the law among gun holders is one of the things that keeps me up at night. . . the misconceptions even among CHLers are scary.

[alvins]

So this whole "ignorance of the law is no excuse" applies to the police which I dought know every single law on the books?

[speedsix]

Whether you carry under the MPA or not, remember your car is still your best weapon. You can run away from trouble and in a last resort it has a lot more stopping power than a bullet.
Get your CHL and you don't have to worry about the distinctions and unlike a credit card its a proud piece of plastic to own.

I would have to differ. My card is not "proud", it is concealed. Just like my weapon.

You conceal your car?

Should I?

Can you? I'm not sure they make pants that big.

...they do...saw a pair of them taking up the cookie aisle at WalMart last night...

[Dave2]

So this whole "ignorance of the law is no excuse" applies to the police which I dought know every single law on the books?

I don't know. IMHO, it certainly should.

[Keith B]

So this whole "ignorance of the law is no excuse" applies to the police which I dought know every single law on the books?

Yes, it does. If an officer arrests you on a supposed charge and it is invalid, then you have grounds for a false arrest suit.

We had this happen to my wife on a service dog we were training. The DPS Sargent threatened to write my wife a ticket because she had the service dog in the license office viewtopic.php?f=83&t=25568&p=325650#p325650" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Making my wife leave and refusing to allow the service dog entrance is a misdemeanor (http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... tm#121.003" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Subparagraph (i) . I know for a fact the Sargent was given some time off for her forcing my wife to leave and her attitude about the incident.

[jdkinman]

So this whole "ignorance of the law is no excuse" applies to the police which I dought know every single law on the books?

Yes, it does. If an officer arrests you on a supposed charge and it is invalid, then you have grounds for a false arrest suit.

We had this happen to my wife on a service dog we were training. The DPS Sargent threatened to write my wife a ticket because she had the service dog in the license office viewtopic.php?f=83&t=25568&p=325650#p325650" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;. Making my wife leave and refusing to allow the service dog entrance is a misdemeanor (http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... tm#121.003" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Subparagraph (i) . I know for a fact the Sargent was given some time off for her forcing my wife to leave and her attitude about the incident.

Service dogs and their owners are also strongly protected under the ADA and that is federal. That DPS sergeant could've lost his badge over that bit of cranial rectitus.

I've lost a tremendous amount of respect for the Texas DPS in the past ten/fifteen years. Growing up in Texas, those guys were my heroes and the Rangers were almost beyond legend status. In the old days, the Troopers often kept a thermos of coffee in their car and if/when they ran into motorists stranded on the side of the road, would actually offer a cup of hot coffee while they radioed a tow-truck. At rest stops, the troopers would hand out little toy tin badges to kids and make us "deputy troopers."

Use to be if you were on the side of the road, you could ALWAYS count on a Texas state trooper pulling up behind you and asking if you needed help.

Now you're told to move your car or use your cell phone and call a tow truck or you'll be ticketed or fined (or both).

It seems that everything they today do hinges on revenue generation and enforcement is based upon writing "tickets."

I did some time in law enforcement twenty-something years ago with a federal agency and worked quite a bit with the Texas DPS. Outstanding, top-shelf lawmen that made their counties a better place to live and work. Today, their mission is to collect revenue by writing as many tickets as possible--that's how they get "noticed" for promotions and opportunities for advancement/lateral transfer.

Keith, I'm glad your wife stood her ground and I'm glad that sergeant got a few days off. He needs to lose his stripes for that--he had a lieutenant AND a captain he could've called for advice and counsel, as well as the county civil affairs attorney.

JD

[johnson0317]

You can download most, if not all, of the old GunTalk shows off of iTunes, as podcasts. I download them 20 or 30 at a time. Tom's daddy was Grits Gresham. You might want to Google him. I have a first edition book called Grits on Guns, that was signed by Grits.

My only real bone to pick with Tom is his stance on being a sheepdog. His feeling is his only job is to get himself, and his family, out of the danger zone. If you are not smart enough to have learned how to protect you and yours, then that is your mistake. He does, however, envision some scenarios where he would intervene. I absolutely understand where he is coming from. His philosophy is that there are more ways for something to go wrong than there is for it to go right. He is so right...but I am not sure I can walk/run away if I might have prevented suffering. However, I respect his stance and the job he does to further gun rights.

Please see my quote below about a lie left unchallenged. That comes from Tom's Truth Squad.

RJ

[speedsix]

You can download most, if not all, of the old GunTalk shows off of iTunes, as podcasts. I download them 20 or 30 at a time. Tom's daddy was Grits Gresham. You might want to Google him. I have a first edition book called Grits on Guns, that was signed by Grits.

My only real bone to pick with Tom is his stance on being a sheepdog. His feeling is his only job is to get himself, and his family, out of the danger zone. If you are not smart enough to have learned how to protect you and yours, then that is your mistake. He does, however, envision some scenarios where he would intervene. I absolutely understand where he is coming from. His philosophy is that there are more ways for something to go wrong than there is for it to go right. He is so right...but I am not sure I can walk/run away if I might have prevented suffering. However, I respect his stance and the job he does to further gun rights.

Please see my quote below about a lie left unchallenged. That comes from Tom's Truth Squad.

RJ

...try again with the quote, please...

[carlson1]

... His feeling is his only job is to get himself, and his family, out of the danger zone.

That is exactly my thought. . .while calling 911. I am not the police anymore.

If you are not smart enough to have learned how to protect you and yours, then that is your mistake.

Help me understand this statement please. I am a little slow at comprehension. it is possible to be in place that is not dangerous and it become dangerous quickly. How does that make it my "mistake."

[johnson0317]

Please refer to my entire post as I do say I can understand and agree with him. His point on it being your mistake is that if you have not taken steps to prepare yourself, and your family, for the possible dangers in the world, then that is your problem and not his.

My point on that matter was that everyone will react differently, and I won't hold it against them.

RJ

[johnson0317]

speedsix,

The quote is, "A lie left unchallenged becomes the truth". This applies to the many massive lies and the many little mis-truths that the general community, and the anti's have about guns, gun ownership, and concealed carry. Tom feels that untruths that are left to fester eventually become seen as the truth. I have no doubt about that being true!

RJ

[speedsix]

...seen it happen often...didn't realize it was Gresham's quote...thanks...

[Beiruty]

If you claim MPA protection under the law and you leave the car then there is a way to get a pass. I do not want to spell the beans, get a CHL at least you would learn the laws of use deadly force. Just hope you get a good CHL instructor.

LEO can arrest anyone who has no CHL on-file and does carry in the public, period.