Why carry with a round chambered?

[Transplant]

Why chamber a round? This video shows why. It's probably been posted in the past, but another recent topic reminded me of this video from a couple of years ago. I posted it as a response in that topic, but I think it merits it's own thread. People who have started carrying within the last year or two might not have seen it.

Watch how fast everything happens in the video. You can see that the store owner is caught completely off guard, and as rounds are flying he just cant direct enough focus to his pistol to ready it. Why would it be any different for any of us if we're attacked? I'm just not willing to take the risk that I'll have enough time and focus to rack the slide.


You should be warned this video is not for the faint of heart, but I feel that it's educational and worthwhile for those of us who carry.
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As I've said before elsewhere, this video completely changed my mind about how I carry. I used to carry condition 3. Now I'm condition 1, always.

[psijac]

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[Crossfire]

Original post edited for FORUM RULE 17 - Links to LIVELEAK are NOT ALLOWED

[Transplant]

Alright, I missed that. Sorry. You might as well delete the thread.

[Jumping Frog]

You can't find the same video on Youtube?

[JJVP]

Don't know if this the one you had in mind, but it is a good one.

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[Transplant]

No, I hadn't seen that one, but it is very good.

I've looked and haven't been able to find the one I originally posted on youtube. It may violate their requirements, I'm not sure.

[C-dub]

A couple of my inexperienced observations.

1. This guy was too close already if he was a stranger.
2. Due to #1 and that this was an exercise, the victim was so focused on getting her gun out that she failed to try and create distance to give her the time to engage her weapon.

She knew this was going to happen and still had trouble. The objective they set out to prove was easy to get to.

Also, IMHO, I think she should have attacked with hands and feet first to try and halt or slow the attack in order to create the opportunity to escape or engage her weapon. In this video, the attacker left his groin wide open to a foot and also his head or throat to a fist. I think if she had gone for those first she could have fared a little better.

[10mmillie]

21 foot rule. Inside that you better know how to fight hands-on and hope to get a chance to draw sometime during the fight.

[Skiprr]

21 foot rule.

Don't let Dennis Tueller know you're calling it a "rule."

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[knotquiteawake]

Remember that big Ohio CCW case at the gas station? Where two thugs try to rob a guy? He tries to get into his car and they try to pull him out. He had to use one hand to hold onto the door to keep from being pulled out and used his other hand to grab his gun from the center console and shoot the thug. He would have been unable to chamber a round because his other hand was keeping him from being pulled out.
This case: http://fox.daytonsnewssource.com/shared ... d_47.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[RHenriksen]

That's the video I thought would be referenced in the OP.

Also makes the case for on-body carry, not in your center console (or glivebox, or purse, etc)

Remember that big Ohio CCW case at the gas station? Where two thugs try to rob a guy? He tries to get into his car and they try to pull him out. He had to use one hand to hold onto the door to keep from being pulled out and used his other hand to grab his gun from the center console and shoot the thug. He would have been unable to chamber a round because his other hand was keeping him from being pulled out.
This case: http://fox.daytonsnewssource.com/shared ... d_47.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Gunner21]

the thing that struck me was the bit about pushing away the BG . Push and disarm.
My job does not allow me to chamber a round. This , frankly scares the crap out of me.
When Corporate is willing to take the life of an employee over the legal liability something is wrong.

question is.. How do I go about affecting change in a major corporation as a simple commissioned guard?

[speedsix]

the thing that struck me was the bit about pushing away the BG . Push and disarm.
My job does not allow me to chamber a round. This , frankly scares the crap out of me.
When Corporate is willing to take the life of an employee over the legal liability something is wrong.

question is.. How do I go about affecting change in a major corporation as a simple commissioned guard?

...practically, you don't...I would quietly disobey the rule and carry chambered...not saying anything about it to even a trusted friend...unless they pull inspections unannounced or you hand the weapon off to the next shift...that could get disastrous...
...if not practical to carry chambered, I would practice often racking the slide on your pantsleg (outside leg only) as the Israelis do...videos are on the net...you may well have a door or flashlight in your "off" hand and not be able to use your hand to rack one in...

...corporations are idiotic in their rules...from what yours says to what I found out here a few months back...the armored truck pulled up in front of a grocery, and a guard with a bag in his off hand and his hand firmly grasping his holstered pistol all the way into the store, and back out to the truck...I called the company to complain about the unprofessional look, and was informed they are training their guards to do that any time they have a package in hand...go figure...you or I walk around like that and we'd be under the jail...

[C-dub]

My job does not allow me to chamber a round.

My job doesn't allow me to carry in the building at all. What job allows you to carry, but without a round in the camber?