17y/o Killed By Neighborhood Watch/CHL

[Heartland Patriot]

Thanks to the intrepid work of "new" media, it now appears that Trayvon's phone conversation with his "girlfriend" on the night he was shot is a total fabrication. http://theconservativetreehouse.com/201 ... se-truths/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; It not only never happened, a number of details of the Crump press conference were lies as well.

Wow this is a pretty intense blog.

He seems to point to the legal team as wanting Zimmerman arrested so that they could sue for damages. Without an arrest Florida statutes do not allow a civil suit to be brought. For example you kill or wound a burglar in your house, you are not arrested, burglar or relatives are barred from bringing suit. Apparently it does not matter if you are convicted of the crime only arrested. Once arrested you can be sued. Zimmerman has no money, but HOA and the City does or has insurance.

The special prosecutor did not have any evidence of Zimmerman not acting within the law, until the attorneys for the Martin's made statements about Dee Dee, Trayvons supposed girlfriend, who related her telephone conversation with Trayvon just before the shooting. The Special Prosecutor made reference to these statements in her charges. Per the blog it is all bogus as there was not the physical time for the attorneys to get this information prior to their news conference.

Certainly very interesting.

Apparently the Martin PR team has been cleansing everyone's twitter and facebook accounts, to fit the story, but hard to do in today's internet world and researchers are able to find a completely different story.

I heard it said before that the truth isn't what happened, but what they can make people BELIEVE happened...and when they have that big of a group (the mainstream media) "working for them", it makes it a LOT easier for them to get people to believe exactly what they want them to believe...

[SRH78]

Apparently the Skittles and Arizona Tea story is also a fabrication. There is no 7-11 in Sanford, FL. " onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UPDATE: Apparently this guy is full of baloney. I checked and found a 7-11 at 1125 Rinehart Road, which is not far from the Retreat View Circle complex. Certainly within walking distance for a young healthy male.

When I first did the search for 7-11's in Sanford, I used 7-11's own website. I have since figured out their store locator doesn't work at all. (It also found no 7-11's in Richardson, TX, which I know to be false.)

I don't recall the address in question offhand but here is what a quick google search came up with for 7-11's in Sanford, Florida.

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[stroguy]

I got caught up watching a show on PBS Friday evening. Had three lawyers and one of them actually stated that Zimmerman lost the right to use deadly force when he followed this CHILD. You as an individual lose the right to defend yourself with deadly force if you are the provocateur and find yourself being beaten, stabbed or similar assault that threatens your life. Where do they get these eggheads from?

[Beiruty]

I got caught up watching a show on PBS Friday evening. Had three lawyers and one of them actually stated that Zimmerman lost the right to use deadly force when he followed this CHILD. You as an individual lose the right to defend yourself with deadly force if you are the provocateur and find yourself being beaten, stabbed or similar assault that threatens your life. Where do they get these eggheads from?

Undercover Cops will tail you day and night, this fact does not force the cops to lose their right for self-defense. What if the person who is being tailed assaulted the cops who are keeping an eye on him? Is his attack justified? That lawyer is an idiot!

[Lambda Force]

That twisted logic says a cop who initiates an encounter has no right to self defense.

It also says if some minor celebrity attacks the paparazzi, the photographer has no right to defend themself.

[57Coastie]

I see that Zimmerman is apparently having trouble raising the $15,000 needed to get a $150,000 bond.

It may be time for some to put their money...where?

Jim

[VoiceofReason]

If Zimmerman is found “not guilty” he should hire an attorney. The job of that attorney should be to hire and coordinate ten more attorneys. He should sue all the media, Martin’s parents, the Brady Campaign, and anyone else he can.

He should come away from this very rich with enough money to have very good security for the rest of his life.

[Lambda Force]

I see that Zimmerman is apparently having trouble raising the $15,000 needed to get a $150,000 bond.

It may be time for some to put their money...where?

Jim

Maybe his mama should have trademarked some slogans for a payday.

[stroguy]

Zimmermans life is over as he knew it. Not only living with the fact that he took an innocent life, legally in my opinion, he will live with guilt of knowing he could have done it different. He will probably not go to trial for this second-degree murder charge and if he does he will be found innocent with ease. He will also be sued in civil court for wrongful death and will lose miserably. OJ did. He might as well move to Alaska. People go there all the time to escape this world down here.

[The Annoyed Man]

I see that Zimmerman is apparently having trouble raising the $15,000 needed to get a $150,000 bond.

It may be time for some to put their money...where?

Jim

Done.

[VoiceofReason]

Zimmermans life is over as he knew it. Not only living with the fact that he took an innocent life, legally in my opinion, he will live with guilt of knowing he could have done it different. He will probably not go to trial for this second-degree murder charge and if he does he will be found innocent with ease. He will also be sued in civil court for wrongful death and will lose miserably. OJ did. He might as well move to Alaska. People go there all the time to escape this world down here.

As I said above,

If Zimmerman is found “not guilty” he should hire an attorney. The job of that attorney should be to hire and coordinate ten more attorneys. He should sue all the media, Martin’s parents, the Brady Campaign, and anyone else he can.

He should come away from this very rich with enough money to have very good security for the rest of his life.

Not only living with the fact that he took an innocent life, legally in my opinion, he will live with guilt of knowing he could have done it different.

We don’t know Mr. Zimmerman and how this would affect him. I don’t know where it came from that taking another life will affect someone “for the rest of their life”. Some people it might. If there was any doubt as to whether I had to shoot, it would affect me for a long time. If someone jumped me and was trying to bash my head in on the concrete, it would affect me for 15 or 20 minutes.

We don’t know that if sued for “wrongful death” he would “lose miserably”. It would depend on how good his attorney was, the jury that heard the case and other factors.

O.J. was another case entirely and I can’t understand how one could assume that because he lost, Zimmerman would lose also.

[Dragonfighter]

Zimmermans life is over as he knew it. Not only living with the fact that he took an innocent life, legally in my opinion, he will live with guilt of knowing he could have done it different. He will probably not go to trial for this second-degree murder charge and if he does he will be found innocent with ease. He will also be sued in civil court for wrongful death and will lose miserably. OJ did. He might as well move to Alaska. People go there all the time to escape this world down here.

-em added

My, a lot of assumptions here. I was not aware that the "fact" of TM's innocence had been established. I also was not aware that the inevitability of a wrongful death suit or its ultimate finding had been established, especially if GZ is acquitted.

@TAM - Done as well.

[stroguy]

Yes a lot of assumptions based on the facts of life. You are presuming guilt on Trevon, I give him the benefit of innocent until he has done something wrong. I would never assume he was up to no good, just suspicious. Call the police, secure my residence and let the professionals handle it. He wouldn't be where he is today. Where is Joe Horn today? Anybody? What is the quality of his life?

And what will Zimmerman accomplish hiring an attorney to sue the Martin family? To sue the media, to sue Jessay and The Rev? On what basis? He will not be rich, only paying attorney fees and watch them gobble up anything of value that comes across his mail box. I would rather try for powerball

Well in Tort law you don't need a jury to find you guilty or innocent, only that someone had been wronged. It's that easy nowadays. A preponderance of wrong doing and not by a unanimous decision.

[Heartland Patriot]

It seems to me that some folks say things like "living with the fact that he took an innocent life" as a matter of course because they want it to be that way, perhaps because it truly bothers them. They might also be the same kind of people who think that every combat soldier SHOULD have PTSD, for the same reason. However, everyone's reaction to taking a human life, from what I have read, heard of, and spoke to folks about, is a little different. SOME are bothered greatly, some think about it from time to time when events in life trigger memories, and others justify things in their mind and move one. I am neither defending nor condemning GZ...I just don't want to presume what his mindset will be should he come through this thing alive and a free man. I'll state this again: this case is NOT about GZ shooting TM...it IS about putting self-defense on trial...it is about shoring up a voting bloc...it is about making money...and it is about the MEDIA exercising their power of persuasion over the peasantry rabble. JUSTICE? What in the blazes is justice? I think they stopped that stuff about the time Ma Ferguson broke up the old-time Texas Rangers...

[Dragonfighter]

Yes a lot of assumptions based on the facts of life. You are presuming guilt on Trevon, I give him the benefit of innocent until he has done something wrong.

I am not presuming anything of the sort and have said repeatedly that I was not there. Though as more information comes to light in contrast to the media's slant, it appears that GZ was telling the truth, that TM attacked and he may have been justified. GZ's justification (if found justified) is irrespective of TM's innocence or complicity.

And what will Zimmerman accomplish hiring an attorney to sue the Martin family? To sue the media, to sue Jessay and The Rev? On what basis? He will not be rich, only paying attorney fees and watch them gobble up anything of value that comes across his mail box. I would rather try for powerball

I would suspect a good number of attorneys would take this on contingency if for no other reason than to garner notoriety. The basis, is defamation of character, reckless endangerment, libel and a laundry list of other things. IANAL and I am sure anyone who is could come up with a dozen or so reasons to pursue civil remedies.

Well in Tort law you don't need a jury to find you guilty or innocent, only that someone had been wronged. It's that easy nowadays. A preponderance of wrong doing and not by a unanimous decision.

IANAL, are you?

A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force...

So as it is in Texas, an acquittal would make GZ immune from civil liability in a wrongful death. So yes, you do need a jury to find you guilty or innocent...at least where deadly force was used.

In the future I would also appreciate your abstaining from clairvoyance and/or stating what I am thinking or presuming.