jmra wrote:Using your logic I could say that if Martin hadn't been dealing drugs and gotten himself suspended from school he wouldnt have been in the neighborhood in the first place. So being a drug dealer resulted in his death.
Using your logic, if zimmerman had not been born in the first place, none of this would have happened. How about we all quit reaching so far and get back to reality? I am actually surprised so many of you think that CHL gives you Batman authority. Good luck with that.
Zimmerman creating the situation by butting in where he was not needed is logical... your logic is just rediculous at any level.
How do you know he "butted in"? That would imply some overt action on his part. Right now all we know is that he observed and followed an individual he perceived as suspicious, and called the police. Even if he engaged Mr. Martin with a "what are you doing?" that is still no reason to try and beat someone to death.
If Zimmerman had not gotten out of he car (completely legal) this would not have happened. If Mr. Martin had not been using/distributing/whatever with marijuana (not legal), he would not have been there. If....if...if... But so far from what we know Mr. Martin committed a very illegal act here...Using lethal force (puching someones head into he ground) on an obviously not lethal threat (Zimmerman on the ground).
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jmra wrote:Using your logic I could say that if Martin hadn't been dealing drugs and gotten himself suspended from school he wouldnt have been in the neighborhood in the first place. So being a drug dealer resulted in his death.
Using your logic, if zimmerman had not been born in the first place, none of this would have happened. How about we all quit reaching so far and get back to reality? I am actually surprised so many of you think that CHL gives you Batman authority. Good luck with that.
Zimmerman creating the situation by butting in where he was not needed is logical... your logic is just rediculous at any level.
How do you know he "butted in"? That would imply some overt action on his part. Right now all we know is that he observed and followed an individual he perceived as suspicious, and called the police. Even if he engaged Mr. Martin with a "what are you doing?" that is still no reason to try and beat someone to death.
If Zimmerman had not gotten out of he car (completely legal) this would not have happened. If Mr. Martin had not been using/distributing/whatever with marijuana (not legal), he would not have been there. If....if...if... But so far from what we know Mr. Martin committed a very illegal act here...Using lethal force (puching someones head into he ground) on an obviously not lethal threat (Zimmerman on the ground).
Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.
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I'm new to the CHL thing, and still waiting for my background to clear, but will my CHL be Batman T V series Batman, DC Comics Batman , or more like the new Dark Knight?
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jmra wrote:Using your logic I could say that if Martin hadn't been dealing drugs and gotten himself suspended from school he wouldnt have been in the neighborhood in the first place. So being a drug dealer resulted in his death.
Using your logic, if zimmerman had not been born in the first place, none of this would have happened. How about we all quit reaching so far and get back to reality? I am actually surprised so many of you think that CHL gives you Batman authority. Good luck with that.
Zimmerman creating the situation by butting in where he was not needed is logical... your logic is just rediculous at any level.
Actually that would be using your logic, not mine.
If you want to talk facts we can. The fact is simply this; there is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman continued to follow or look for Martin after being told by the operator "we don't need you to do that". There is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman did not retreat toward his vehicle as he claimed. There is not a single bit of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman did anything other than what he has claimed most of which is supported by eye witnesses and the physical evidence found at the scene.
Another fact; the only evidence that we have to date that Zimmerman shot Martin is Zimmermans own statement. No one saw him do it. We haven't seen a ballistics report. We haven't seen the results of a gun powder test that shows that Zimmerman actually fired a gun. The only thing we have is eye witness accounts that they struggled and what they saw afterwards and Zimmermans word. We accept as fact that Zimmerman shot Martin because of Zimmermans statement and the supporting evidence but many dismiss everything else he says and the supporting evidence because it does not fit what they want to believe. Well, news flash, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
What seems to be getting past you is that I am not arguing about whether Zimmerman or the dead guy were justified in the shooting or the butt kicking. I am saying one thing... Zimmerman caused the whole mess by over stepping his bounds. Same goes for you or any other "hot shot" that wants to play cop.
I am done with it... I realize now you and a few others will never get it.
ScooterSissy wrote:I'm new to the CHL thing, and still waiting for my background to clear, but will my CHL be Batman T V series Batman, DC Comics Batman , or more like the new Dark Knight?
For some it makes them suddenly invincible. You can crusade to save the world and do all the cool things you can only do with the power of a gun behind you. It really rocks saving the world from evil.
03Lightningrocks wrote: ... What seems to be getting past you is that I am not arguing about whether Zimmerman or the dead guy were justified in the shooting or the butt kicking. I am saying one thing... Zimmerman caused the whole mess by over stepping his bounds. Same goes for you or any other "hot shot" that wants to play cop.
I am done with it... I realize now you and a few others will never get it.
Why are those "his bounds"? Do you define "the bounds"? If we're going by the law (and that's the bounds that really count), he was totally within his bounds.
BTW, we "get it" (your premise), we just disagree, and you've offered little to convince us.
03Lightningrocks wrote: ... What seems to be getting past you is that I am not arguing about whether Zimmerman or the dead guy were justified in the shooting or the butt kicking. I am saying one thing... Zimmerman caused the whole mess by over stepping his bounds. Same goes for you or any other "hot shot" that wants to play cop.
I am done with it... I realize now you and a few others will never get it.
Why are those "his bounds"? Do you define "the bounds"? If we're going by the law (and that's the bounds that really count), he was totally within his bounds.
BTW, we "get it" (your premise), we just disagree, and you've offered little to convince us.
ScooterSissy wrote:I'm new to the CHL thing, and still waiting for my background to clear, but will my CHL be Batman T V series Batman, DC Comics Batman , or more like the new Dark Knight?
Depends which leotard and pointy-eared cape fits you best
ScooterSissy wrote:I'm new to the CHL thing, and still waiting for my background to clear, but will my CHL be Batman T V series Batman, DC Comics Batman , or more like the new Dark Knight?
Depends which leotard and pointy-eared cape fits you best
Some may prefer the superman outfit. I just wear the sash and leave it at that. I would not look right wearing leotards.
03Lightningrocks wrote: ... What seems to be getting past you is that I am not arguing about whether Zimmerman or the dead guy were justified in the shooting or the butt kicking. I am saying one thing... Zimmerman caused the whole mess by over stepping his bounds. Same goes for you or any other "hot shot" that wants to play cop.
I am done with it... I realize now you and a few others will never get it.
Why are those "his bounds"? Do you define "the bounds"? If we're going by the law (and that's the bounds that really count), he was totally within his bounds.
BTW, we "get it" (your premise), we just disagree, and you've offered little to convince us.
The guy he decided to stalk was NOT COMMITING ANY CRIME! But hey... He was looking all suspicious munching on those skittles. That seems a good reason to stalk a person innocently walking through the neighborhood at night. That is the part you are not and refuse to get. The dead guy was DOING NOTHING ILLEGAL...when Zimmerman decide to harass him. You folks sound almost racist to me... Is it the hoody or the black skin that makes it OK to stalk this fellow. Which is what lead to the altercation... That NONE of you know anything about how it started. For all any of you know, Zimmerman tried to put the grab on the guy and got ahold of more than he could handle.
03Lightningrocks wrote: ... What seems to be getting past you is that I am not arguing about whether Zimmerman or the dead guy were justified in the shooting or the butt kicking. I am saying one thing... Zimmerman caused the whole mess by over stepping his bounds. Same goes for you or any other "hot shot" that wants to play cop.
I am done with it... I realize now you and a few others will never get it.
Why are those "his bounds"? Do you define "the bounds"? If we're going by the law (and that's the bounds that really count), he was totally within his bounds.
BTW, we "get it" (your premise), we just disagree, and you've offered little to convince us.
The guy he decided to stalk was NOT COMMITING ANY CRIME! But hey... He was looking all suspicious munching on those skittles. That seems a good reason to stalk a person innocently walking through the neighborhood at night. That is the part you are not and refuse to get. The dead guy was DOING NOTHING ILLEGAL...when Zimmerman decide to harass him. You folks sound almost racist to me... Is it the hoody or the black skin that makes it OK to stalk this fellow. Which is what lead to the altercation... That NONE of you know anything about how it started. For all any of you know, Zimmerman tried to put the grab on the guy and got ahold of more than he could handle.
it has nothing to do with race, and you should apologize for the accusation.
Why do you suddenly now call it "stalking"? What are you basing that on? Few stalkers call 911 while they're "stalking"...
jmra wrote:Using your logic I could say that if Martin hadn't been dealing drugs and gotten himself suspended from school he wouldnt have been in the neighborhood in the first place. So being a drug dealer resulted in his death.
Using your logic, if zimmerman had not been born in the first place, none of this would have happened. How about we all quit reaching so far and get back to reality? I am actually surprised so many of you think that CHL gives you Batman authority. Good luck with that.
Zimmerman creating the situation by butting in where he was not needed is logical... your logic is just rediculous at any level.
Actually that would be using your logic, not mine.
If you want to talk facts we can. The fact is simply this; there is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman continued to follow or look for Martin after being told by the operator "we don't need you to do that". There is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman did not retreat toward his vehicle as he claimed. There is not a single bit of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman did anything other than what he has claimed most of which is supported by eye witnesses and the physical evidence found at the scene.
Another fact; the only evidence that we have to date that Zimmerman shot Martin is Zimmermans own statement. No one saw him do it. We haven't seen a ballistics report. We haven't seen the results of a gun powder test that shows that Zimmerman actually fired a gun. The only thing we have is eye witness accounts that they struggled and what they saw afterwards and Zimmermans word. We accept as fact that Zimmerman shot Martin because of Zimmermans statement and the supporting evidence but many dismiss everything else he says and the supporting evidence because it does not fit what they want to believe. Well, news flash, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
What seems to be getting past you is that I am not arguing about whether Zimmerman or the dead guy were justified in the shooting or the butt kicking. I am saying one thing... Zimmerman caused the whole mess by over stepping his bounds. Same goes for you or any other "hot shot" that wants to play cop.
I am done with it... I realize now you and a few others will never get it.
No one here is trying to play cop. I don't even know what would even make you think that any of us want to play cop. Perhaps Zimmerman should have stayed in his car but that is not what caused Martins death. It no more caused his death than Martins suspension from school resulting in him staying with his dad caused his death. Martin is dead for one reason and one reason only, he tried to smash Zimmermans brains out on the sidewalk and continued to do so long after any threat to him (if there ever was one) had ended. We know this because a witness tells us he saw it and heard Zimmermans pleas for help.
We all get that YOU BELIEVE that Zimmerman overstepped his boundries. We all do get that you don't like Zimmerman. Maybe because you were bullied by a neighborhood watch guy. I don't know and don't care. But just because you believe something doesn't make it reality.
Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid.
John Wayne
NRA Lifetime member
He beats women... Attacks cops... Has an explosive temper... And was a wannabe cop who couldn't cut the muster. He was fired as a security guard. Good Lord!
Just to be sure I understand... A few of you think this lunatic was not looking for trouble? He was just innocently walking outside his car and was unexpectedly attacked...LOL. The real question is... Was tray the one exercising his right to stand his ground and lost? One sure way to get away with a lie is to kill the only person who might be able to dispute who started what.
I rest my case. I won't even begin to give serious thought to anything a guy with Zimmermans history has. Woman beating, cop attacking... Wow... Regular model citizen.
jmra wrote:Using your logic I could say that if Martin hadn't been dealing drugs and gotten himself suspended from school he wouldnt have been in the neighborhood in the first place. So being a drug dealer resulted in his death.
Using your logic, if zimmerman had not been born in the first place, none of this would have happened. How about we all quit reaching so far and get back to reality? I am actually surprised so many of you think that CHL gives you Batman authority. Good luck with that.
Zimmerman creating the situation by butting in where he was not needed is logical... your logic is just rediculous at any level.
Actually that would be using your logic, not mine.
If you want to talk facts we can. The fact is simply this; there is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman continued to follow or look for Martin after being told by the operator "we don't need you to do that". There is not a single shred of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman did not retreat toward his vehicle as he claimed. There is not a single bit of evidence to suggest that Zimmerman did anything other than what he has claimed most of which is supported by eye witnesses and the physical evidence found at the scene.
Another fact; the only evidence that we have to date that Zimmerman shot Martin is Zimmermans own statement. No one saw him do it. We haven't seen a ballistics report. We haven't seen the results of a gun powder test that shows that Zimmerman actually fired a gun. The only thing we have is eye witness accounts that they struggled and what they saw afterwards and Zimmermans word. We accept as fact that Zimmerman shot Martin because of Zimmermans statement and the supporting evidence but many dismiss everything else he says and the supporting evidence because it does not fit what they want to believe. Well, news flash, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
What seems to be getting past you is that I am not arguing about whether Zimmerman or the dead guy were justified in the shooting or the butt kicking. I am saying one thing... Zimmerman caused the whole mess by over stepping his bounds. Same goes for you or any other "hot shot" that wants to play cop.
I am done with it... I realize now you and a few others will never get it.
No one here is trying to play cop. I don't even know what would even make you think that any of us want to play cop. Perhaps Zimmerman should have stayed in his car but that is not what caused Martins death. It no more caused his death than Martins suspension from school resulting in him staying with his dad caused his death. Martin is dead for one reason and one reason only, he tried to smash Zimmermans brains out on the sidewalk and continued to do so long after any threat to him (if there ever was one) had ended. We know this because a witness tells us he saw it and heard Zimmermans pleas for help.
We all get that YOU BELIEVE that Zimmerman overstepped his boundries. We all do get that you don't like Zimmerman. Maybe because you were bullied by a neighborhood watch guy. I don't know and don't care. But just because you believe something doesn't make it reality.
Lol.. No.. Never bullied by anyone. My real issue is with guys that think they are suddenly charged with defending the world because they have a CHL. What seems to be your issue... Are you one of those fellers? Or were you bullied by a guy wearing a hoody?
See... I can ask insulting questions as well as you.
