Armed security guard shoots River Oaks family dog

[VMI77]

Actually, it really appears that you're just reinforcing Rex's point. If there weren't in fact different expectations where he lives, than where you live, you be wouldn't be having this discussion at all. And while I agree that I don't live in a place where people run around shooting dogs, that's really an extreme action, an outlier. If you look to more common situations, the differences are likely to become more pronounced. Such as VM volunteering an hour of his time to try and get a stray back to it's home. That may be a normal reaction upon seeing a stray dog where he lives. Where I live I believe most people would simply ignore it.

In my neighborhood the "normal" reaction would probably be for most people to ignore it. My wife and I both happen to love dogs and when we see one loose we don't want to hear later it got hit by a car and think we might have prevented it if we'd done something. Also part of it is probably that when I set out to do something I don't like to give up without doing it. I will say though, I followed it all over the neighborhood, the same kind of dog shot by the security officer, and none of the people whose path it crossed, from children to old ladies, showed the slightest sign of fear. While we didn't catch it, we did manage to get close enough to read the phone number on his tag and call the owner.

[papajohn1964]

You can post all the links you want about a policeman making a bad shoot... it does not change the fact that rent a cops are NOT properly trained to be acting as police officers.

I don't see anyone claiming that it does.

Great... then the insinuations of Police Officers making mistakes(by way of posting links to cops shooting dogs) must have just been to pass the time. It certainly has nothing to do with ego bloated rent a cops. Thanks for the clarification. Glad we agree that rent a cops haven't the training to be running around with loaded guns playing batman.

Seriously? I have to say that I take great offense to your comments. That is just so prejudice!  

There are cops that shouldn't be carrying a gun, lawyers that shouldn't be practicing law, doctors that shouldn't be practicing medicine and yes probably some ditch diggers that shouldn't have a shovel in their hand. There is almost always something bad on the news about a Teacher or a priest being improper with a child. I'm not sure what profession you are in but I'm sure that there are some people doing it that shouldn't be but I would never say that all of you are worthless. (unless your a Politician but there are even a few of them that are good)

First off I would like to point out that my license says Commissioned Security Officer not Rent a Cop or Guard. This license by the way is issued by the DPS Private Security Board, the same as the CHL folks. 

Lack of training? My training was 40 hours including the range time and we have to renew every 2 years.  There are a lot of folks on here that believe that the 10 hours for the CHL is too much so if we don't have enough training with our 40 hours so in your opinion we should all turn in our CHLs due to lack of training?

I was taught that as Security Officers we were a visual deterrent and our job is to observe and report and that is what I plan to do. If you want to rob my bank come on in. The tellers will be happy to give you everything they have. Don't hurt anybody or try to take my gun and I will hold the door open for you. I have never wanted to be a police officer and I don't think I am one now. I have no more rights than anybody else except that when I'm at work my firearm has to be out on the open. As soon as I get off duty my shirt comes off and the gun is concealed. 

Under paid? You got that right brother! I'm not doing it for the money. I do it because after a heart attack last year my Cardiologist recommended a stress free job and here I am. I come to work and I go home. A big relief after 25+ years in management. Most of the guys at my Company are retired and do it for something to do and for play $. 

You get what you pay for has always been my motto for most things but... I hope that you live in a city that has paid firefighters because you know how much those volunteer guys get paid? $0.00. And how much formal training do they get? Mostly 0. They train each other. If, God forbid, your house catches on fire I bet that you wouldn't turn down those under paid under trained men and women who come to put it out. And how about those reserve Police and Sheriffs out there working for nothing but the experience.  

I would recommend that you think before you start berating an entire occupation because of a few bad ones. I am pretty sure that there are more Security Officers in Texas than there are Certified Police Officers but how often do you actually hear anything about us compared to them?

I am in no way defending the guy in the article, just the rest of us good Officers!!!

[03Lightningrocks]

I don't buy it either, the HOA has a vested interest in framing events to escape a lawsuit. The description doesn't even make sense. If the officer was at the door then the dog couldn't run outside towards the officer, since after his first couple of steps he'd be past him; and in order for the dog to need to be controlled he would have to be well outside --and the news report said he was in the flower bed which doesn't sound like he ran "at" anyone. Furthermore, just because the officer asked her to control the dog doesn't mean the dog was actually out of control, as their statement attempts to imply. It also fails to mention that he grabbed the woman, as reported in the news. That deliberate omission is an attempt to make it look like the dog acted without provocation, but it appears from combining the different version of events, that IF the dog lunged, he did so after the officer grabbed his owner.

Count me as another who doesn't buy into the email.

[03Lightningrocks]

You can post all the links you want about a policeman making a bad shoot... it does not change the fact that rent a cops are NOT properly trained to be acting as police officers.

I don't see anyone claiming that it does.

Great... then the insinuations of Police Officers making mistakes(by way of posting links to cops shooting dogs) must have just been to pass the time. It certainly has nothing to do with ego bloated rent a cops. Thanks for the clarification. Glad we agree that rent a cops haven't the training to be running around with loaded guns playing batman.

Seriously? I have to say that I take great offense to your comments. That is just so prejudice!  

There are cops that shouldn't be carrying a gun, lawyers that shouldn't be practicing law, doctors that shouldn't be practicing medicine and yes probably some ditch diggers that shouldn't have a shovel in their hand. There is almost always something bad on the news about a Teacher or a priest being improper with a child. I'm not sure what profession you are in but I'm sure that there are some people doing it that shouldn't be but I would never say that all of you are worthless. (unless your a Politician but there are even a few of them that are good)

First off I would like to point out that my license says Commissioned Security Officer not Rent a Cop or Guard. This license by the way is issued by the DPS Private Security Board, the same as the CHL folks. 

Lack of training? My training was 40 hours including the range time and we have to renew every 2 years.  There are a lot of folks on here that believe that the 10 hours for the CHL is too much so if we don't have enough training with our 40 hours so in your opinion we should all turn in our CHLs due to lack of training?

I was taught that as Security Officers we were a visual deterrent and our job is to observe and report and that is what I plan to do. If you want to rob my bank come on in. The tellers will be happy to give you everything they have. Don't hurt anybody or try to take my gun and I will hold the door open for you. I have never wanted to be a police officer and I don't think I am one now. I have no more rights than anybody else except that when I'm at work my firearm has to be out on the open. As soon as I get off duty my shirt comes off and the gun is concealed. 

Under paid? You got that right brother! I'm not doing it for the money. I do it because after a heart attack last year my Cardiologist recommended a stress free job and here I am. I come to work and I go home. A big relief after 25+ years in management. Most of the guys at my Company are retired and do it for something to do and for play $. 

You get what you pay for has always been my motto for most things but... I hope that you live in a city that has paid firefighters because you know how much those volunteer guys get paid? $0.00. And how much formal training do they get? Mostly 0. They train each other. If, God forbid, your house catches on fire I bet that you wouldn't turn down those under paid under trained men and women who come to put it out. And how about those reserve Police and Sheriffs out there working for nothing but the experience.  

I would recommend that you think before you start berating an entire occupation because of a few bad ones. I am pretty sure that there are more Security Officers in Texas than there are Certified Police Officers but how often do you actually hear anything about us compared to them?

I am in no way defending the guy in the article, just the rest of us good Officers!!!

I was not berating anyone. You DO NOT equate in any way shape form or fashion to a police officer. Not in training and certainly not in authority. Sorry if that offends you. Some folks might find your signature offensive. Insulting the entire entire United States Navy??? I dunno... it seems a person who was sensitive to categorizing an entire occupation would not post a signature line tha reads ... and I quote from your signature... "Yes the Marines are a Department of the Navy.....The Mens Department...."

[papajohn1964]

Seriously? I have to say that I take great offense to your comments. That is just so prejudice!  

There are cops that shouldn't be carrying a gun, lawyers that shouldn't be practicing law, doctors that shouldn't be practicing medicine and yes probably some ditch diggers that shouldn't have a shovel in their hand. There is almost always something bad on the news about a Teacher or a priest being improper with a child. I'm not sure what profession you are in but I'm sure that there are some people doing it that shouldn't be but I would never say that all of you are worthless. (unless your a Politician but there are even a few of them that are good)

First off I would like to point out that my license says Commissioned Security Officer not Rent a Cop or Guard. This license by the way is issued by the DPS Private Security Board, the same as the CHL folks. 

Lack of training? My training was 40 hours including the range time and we have to renew every 2 years.  There are a lot of folks on here that believe that the 10 hours for the CHL is too much so if we don't have enough training with our 40 hours so in your opinion we should all turn in our CHLs due to lack of training?

I was taught that as Security Officers we were a visual deterrent and our job is to observe and report and that is what I plan to do. If you want to rob my bank come on in. The tellers will be happy to give you everything they have. Don't hurt anybody or try to take my gun and I will hold the door open for you. I have never wanted to be a police officer and I don't think I am one now. I have no more rights than anybody else except that when I'm at work my firearm has to be out on the open. As soon as I get off duty my shirt comes off and the gun is concealed. 

Under paid? You got that right brother! I'm not doing it for the money. I do it because after a heart attack last year my Cardiologist recommended a stress free job and here I am. I come to work and I go home. A big relief after 25+ years in management. Most of the guys at my Company are retired and do it for something to do and for play $. 

You get what you pay for has always been my motto for most things but... I hope that you live in a city that has paid firefighters because you know how much those volunteer guys get paid? $0.00. And how much formal training do they get? Mostly 0. They train each other. If, God forbid, your house catches on fire I bet that you wouldn't turn down those under paid under trained men and women who come to put it out. And how about those reserve Police and Sheriffs out there working for nothing but the experience.  

I would recommend that you think before you start berating an entire occupation because of a few bad ones. I am pretty sure that there are more Security Officers in Texas than there are Certified Police Officers but how often do you actually hear anything about us compared to them?

I am in no way defending the guy in the article, just the rest of us good Officers!!![/quote]


I was not berating anyone. You DO NOT equate in any way shape form or fashion to a police officer. Not in training and certainly not in authority. See the bolded type aboveSorry if that offends you. Some folks might find your signature offensive. Insulting the entire entire United States Navy??? I dunno... it seems a person who was sensitive to categorizing an entire occupation would not post a signature line tha reads ... and I quote from your signature... "Yes the Marines are a Department of the Navy.....The Mens Department...."[/quote]
I guess you never served

[03Lightningrocks]

You win... I am not sure what... but you win...LOL. I stated my position on the topic at hand... it remains the same. So I guess that is that.

[Oldgringo]

Somebody get a lock and a key. Whoa, wait a minute, we don't need a key, we just need a lock.

[03Lightningrocks]

Somebody get a lock and a key. Whoa, wait a minute, we don't need a key, we just need a lock.

LOL... posts about people murdering pets always get out of wack. I think we all visualize that security guy blasting our own beloved pets. It is hard not to be emotional about it.

[Oldgringo]

Somebody get a lock and a key. Whoa, wait a minute, we don't need a key, we just need a lock.

LOL... posts about people murdering pets always get out of wack. I think we all visualize that security guy blasting our own beloved pets. It is hard not to be emotional about it.

One of the benefits of living in the boonies is that we don't need security guys. Do you remember the movie, "DELIVERANCE"?

[03Lightningrocks]

Somebody get a lock and a key. Whoa, wait a minute, we don't need a key, we just need a lock.

LOL... posts about people murdering pets always get out of wack. I think we all visualize that security guy blasting our own beloved pets. It is hard not to be emotional about it.

One of the benefits of living in the boonies is that we don't need security guys. Do you remember the movie, "DELIVERANCE"?

Yep... which hillbilly are you???

[MoJo]

Somebody get a lock and a key. Whoa, wait a minute, we don't need a key, we just need a lock.

LOL... posts about people murdering pets always get out of wack. I think we all visualize that security guy blasting our own beloved pets. It is hard not to be emotional about it.

One of the benefits of living in the boonies is that we don't need security guys. Do you remember the movie, "DELIVERANCE"?

Yep... which hillbilly are you???

There's a few places around here where you sometimes hear the banjos and guitars.

[speedsix]

Actually, it really appears that you're just reinforcing Rex's point. If there weren't in fact different expectations where he lives, than where you live, you be wouldn't be having this discussion at all. And while I agree that I don't live in a place where people run around shooting dogs, that's really an extreme action, an outlier. If you look to more common situations, the differences are likely to become more pronounced. Such as VM volunteering an hour of his time to try and get a stray back to it's home. That may be a normal reaction upon seeing a stray dog where he lives. Where I live I believe most people would simply ignore it.

In my neighborhood the "normal" reaction would probably be for most people to ignore it. My wife and I both happen to love dogs and when we see one loose we don't want to hear later it got hit by a car and think we might have prevented it if we'd done something. Also part of it is probably that when I set out to do something I don't like to give up without doing it. I will say though, I followed it all over the neighborhood, the same kind of dog shot by the security officer, and none of the people whose path it crossed, from children to old ladies, showed the slightest sign of fear. While we didn't catch it, we did manage to get close enough to read the phone number on his tag and call the owner.

...Man, either you got eagle's eyes or you were only a cookie away from catching that pup...I'm a pushover for dogs, too...I'd spend all day helping one get away from the evil dogcatcher...

[speedsix]

Somebody get a lock and a key. Whoa, wait a minute, we don't need a key, we just need a lock.

...and that certain filter needs backwashing...badly...

[VMI77]

Actually, it really appears that you're just reinforcing Rex's point. If there weren't in fact different expectations where he lives, than where you live, you be wouldn't be having this discussion at all. And while I agree that I don't live in a place where people run around shooting dogs, that's really an extreme action, an outlier. If you look to more common situations, the differences are likely to become more pronounced. Such as VM volunteering an hour of his time to try and get a stray back to it's home. That may be a normal reaction upon seeing a stray dog where he lives. Where I live I believe most people would simply ignore it.

In my neighborhood the "normal" reaction would probably be for most people to ignore it. My wife and I both happen to love dogs and when we see one loose we don't want to hear later it got hit by a car and think we might have prevented it if we'd done something. Also part of it is probably that when I set out to do something I don't like to give up without doing it. I will say though, I followed it all over the neighborhood, the same kind of dog shot by the security officer, and none of the people whose path it crossed, from children to old ladies, showed the slightest sign of fear. While we didn't catch it, we did manage to get close enough to read the phone number on his tag and call the owner.

...Man, either you got eagle's eyes or you were only a cookie away from catching that pup...I'm a pushover for dogs, too...I'd spend all day helping one get away from the evil dogcatcher...

We got him close by throwing dogs treats to him, closer and closer, until my wife was able see the last few digits of the phone number and the area code. Then I looked for a matching number in the subdivision directory. He was very skittish. Came up no closer than he had to get by stretching his body and neck out to reach the treat.

[speedsix]

...well, at least y'all tried...thanks for that...dogs are the cat's meow, far as I 'm concerned...the pup in this thread showed admirable restraint...especially when the brave security man grabbed his mistress to hide behind...that'd triggered BOTH my little mutts...NOBODY messes with the Treatmaster!!!